The Next Generation of Digital Learning Spaces: Exploring the frontier of Virtual Worlds presentation at EDUCAUSE ELI 2007 Annual Conference January 22, 2007 Transcript of chat session in Second Life NMC Campus Observer blog coverage at http://www.nmc.org/sl/2007/01/22/educause-2/ [11:46] Ninmah Ash: hello everyone! welcome! [11:47] Ninmah Ash: there is audio from the ELI session room -- turn on your music channel to hear it. [11:48] Chaz Maloney: I hope there will be a debriefing on this session at some point... I'm really interest on how you setup the SL simulcast of the real life event [11:48] Chaz Maloney: very cool. [11:48] Ninmah Ash: I'll relay that [11:48] Chaz Maloney: thanx [11:48] Ninmah Ash: I'm going to be relaying between the RL session and here [11:48] Ninmah Ash: Alan says, he opened the window and he is shouting [11:49] Ninmah Ash: and that's how we did the audio :-) [11:49] Chaz Maloney: very good windows in atlanta, eh? [11:49] Ninmah Ash: hee hee [11:49] CDB Barkley: Info on our audio solutions(s) http://cogdogblog.com/2006/12/20/audio-casting-setup/ [11:49] Ninmah Ash: does everyone have the audio OK? we are still getting set up here in Atlanta [11:50] Farley Scarborough: Audio is good here [11:52] Ninmah Ash: /wave [11:52] Arteer Oliva: yes [11:52] Farley Scarborough: /wave [11:52] Ninmah Ash: well, I can't wave, but I can hear [11:52] CDB Barkley says hello [11:53] Smanning Lancaster: not sure how to wave but I can hear too [11:53] CDB Barkley howls at the moon [11:53] Chaz Maloney: ---better view from middle.....just like junior high :-) [11:53] Ninmah Ash: lol [11:54] CDB Barkley: In Second Life there is no back of the room [11:55] Chaz Maloney: love the stage...wish there were some giant virtual audio monitors on top like a pink floyd show [11:57] Buddy Sprocket: hi all... [11:57] CDB Barkley: Howdy [11:57] Ninmah Ash: welcome! [11:57] Buddy Sprocket: how's it going in atlanta? [11:57] Ninmah Ash: going well... we are getting set up [11:57] CDB Barkley: outside of sl audio in itunes or media player... [11:58] Ninmah Ash: people are arriving in the room... just like here [11:58] CDB Barkley: http://www.nmc.org/sl/live.pls [11:58] Buddy Sprocket: ooo finally put my music on... can hear the chit chat in the room... [11:58] Ninmah Ash: excellent [11:59] Ninmah Ash: I'll be relaying messages from here to RL, so feel free to ask questions, etc. [11:59] Chaz Maloney: Is the real life room as nice as the SL room? Funny, in real life I wouldn't be able to adjust the volume :-) [12:00] Chaz Maloney: :-) [12:00] Ninmah Ash: our convener has begun... she's a little distant from the microphone [12:00] Ninmah Ash: Alan will be audible shortly [12:01] Chaz Maloney: need a massive digital array, but is good none-the-less [12:01] Buddy Sprocket raises hand [12:01] Lyr Lobo smiles [12:01] Ninmah Ash: the RL room is your typical conference room :-) [12:03] Buddy Sprocket: /hi larry! [12:03] Danielle Damone: Hello - Danielle Mirliss from Seton Hall here in Atlanta as well [12:04] Ninmah Ash: hello everyone! I'm hiding to one side of the room, by the power outlet [12:04] Buddy Sprocket: howdy! [12:04] Brett Bjornson: Hi. Brett Bixlr from Penn State. [12:04] CDB Barkley: please introduce yourselves [12:04] Dia Diqui: Hello, in from germany [12:04] Ninmah Ash: Rachel Smith from NMC [12:04] Arteer Oliva: Hello RL! [12:04] Chaz Maloney: Charley Cosmato (chaz maloney SL) Radford University, Virginia [12:04] Robins Hermano: hello - Robins Hermano - University of Central Florida, Orlando [12:04] Smanning Lancaster: Susan Manning from U of I - just checking it out [12:04] Buddy Sprocket: Daniel Livingstone , University of Paisley, UK [12:04] Stargazer Blazer: hi, Brenda Boyd, from Miami University, Ohio [12:04] Arteer Oliva: University of Nebraska at Omaha [12:04] Farley Scarborough: Hey there! Jeff Hiles, Wright State U, Dayton, Ohio [12:04] RobertKlein Dogpatch: Hello - RobertKlein from Nashville Trainer from Emdeon (WebMD) [12:04] Catherine Chenille: Hello, catherine Chennile from Northern Arizona University [12:04] Alice Burgess: Hi, Beth Kraemer, U Kentucky [12:04] Eilish Zhukovsky: Elizabeth from Emilly Carr Institute in Vancouver [12:04] Sullivan Tomcat: Bart Sullivan from Vancouv er, Canada - online from here [12:04] Lyr Lobo: Hello Cynthia Calongne from Colorado Technical University [12:05] Ninmah Ash: Welcome, everyone! [12:05] Buddy Sprocket: hi larry! [12:05] Frankie Antonelli: Univ. of Central Florida [12:05] Catherine Chenille: Can't use any of my gestures! [12:05] Tomoko Larg: Univeristy of Texas at Austin. [12:05] Sullivan Tomcat: who is talking now? [12:05] Ninmah Ash: Alan Levine is speaking [12:05] Sullivan Tomcat: thanks [12:06] Frankie Antonelli: yes we should [12:06] Frankie Antonelli: are you in atlanta? [12:06] CDB Barkley: yes [12:06] CDB Barkley: Hi Boris [12:07] SonuTrail Blazer: title red MDM Program, GNWC, Vancouver (www.gnwc.ca/mdm) [12:08] Ninmah Ash: Alan Levine and Heidi Trotta are speaking [12:08] Ninmah Ash: they will be doing a roleplay [12:14] Chaz Maloney: just me or is audio on the outs? [12:14] Sullivan Tomcat: sounds good to me [12:14] Dia Diqui: i can hear well [12:14] Sullivan Tomcat: somebody better wake up those presenters ;) [12:14] Loretta Lobo: I hear it after playing the Music button [12:15] Robins Hermano: Turn music off then on, that sometimes hleps [12:15] Buddy Sprocket: sound is really good... [12:15] Chaz Maloney: I must;ve leaned on the keyboard... typical newbie I am ....I killed my sound thnx for feedback [12:16] Sullivan Tomcat: or that you need to download new client every other day... [12:16] Robins Hermano: lol [12:16] Dia Diqui: :-) [12:16] Sullivan Tomcat: :) [12:16] Larry Pixel: posting live shots from Atlanta [12:16] Sullivan Tomcat: cool - thanks for the pics [12:17] Larry Pixel: yes there is live audio [12:17] Buddy Sprocket: sounds good :-) [12:17] Sullivan Tomcat: [12:17] Larry Pixel: stream [12:17] Farley Scarborough applauds [12:17] Buddy Sprocket claps [12:17] Larry Pixel: use your music control to access the live streamn [12:17] Dia Diqui: claps [12:18] Smanning Lancaster: How do I clap? [12:18] Lyr Lobo claps [12:18] Sullivan Tomcat: /applause [12:18] Brett Bjornson: Access in campus compuer labs at PSU is an issue. [12:18] Smanning Lancaster: ?applause [12:18] Smanning Lancaster: /applause [12:18] Buddy Sprocket: "/clap" [12:18] Ninmah Ash: If you have questions, ask them here and I'll make sure they see them [12:18] Buddy Sprocket: but need to activate the gesture first [12:18] Buddy Sprocket: it's in your inventory in the library [12:19] RobertKlein Dogpatch: Or type F2 key [12:19] totally Vavoom: I didn't know F2 triggers clap, good tip RobertKlien [12:19] totally Vavoom: actually, it doesn't on mine [12:19] Buddy Sprocket: thanks... i never get round to learning all the shortcuts! [12:19] RobertKlein Dogpatch: :) [12:20] Catherine Chenille: Please! [12:20] Smanning Lancaster: I still don't get it..I see the gesture in my inventory but can't figure out how to make it happen [12:20] Chaz Maloney: I hear a lot of f2 experimentation.... :-) [12:20] RobertKlein Dogpatch: lol [12:20] Buddy Sprocket: /the animation override in these seats kills the visuals...can hear but not see the clapping [12:20] Chaz Maloney: need an nmc lighter to hold up in appreciation [12:21] Magda Voss: do these seats hav a sit pose ? [12:21] Lyr Lobo: / yes *smiles* [12:26] Farley Scarborough: /*pokes Larry to wake him up* [12:28] Chaz Maloney: Ninmah: Is NMC thinking of dedicating some space to SLOODLE experimentation (moodle + SL) [12:28] Larry Pixel: send us your questions or comments [12:28] Ninmah Ash: got your question, Chaz, thanks, I'll relay [12:29] Magda Voss: can I learn more about the virtual talking stick ? is this accomploished through Gestures ? Thx. [12:31] totally Vavoom: Black Wednesday!!! [12:31] Beatnik Sage: and typically school labs aren't willing to do updates to software more than once a semester... so that is a problem [12:31] totally Vavoom: there's also the issue of griefers! [12:32] Sullivan Tomcat: what is the open sourcing of SL client architecture mean for educators? [12:32] Buddy Sprocket: hi chaz, i should pay you for that question :-) [12:32] Chaz Maloney: :-) [12:33] Ninmah Ash: thank you Sullivan, I'll relay your questions [12:33] Magda Voss: i like that Moodle ?, too. [12:33] Ninmah Ash: question* [12:34] Chaz Maloney: we need an analog to newbie island in the NMC campus. "newbie SL teacher island" [12:34] Sullivan Tomcat: Chaz - good idea. even a teaching sandbox - would be cool if there were bots in SL [12:35] Larry Pixel: I will make an announcement about that in a few minutes [12:35] Chaz Maloney: excellent [12:35] totally Vavoom: that may not be an option on campuses where there is only one instructional tech, they may ahve no option but to go it alone :-) [12:35] Sullivan Tomcat: like artificial intelligent students.. [12:35] totally Vavoom: in that scenaio, it might be better to limit the group size [12:36] Sullivan Tomcat: lol [12:36] Smanning Lancaster: been there done that! LOL [12:36] totally Vavoom: me too! and I'm an extrovert!! [12:36] Larry Pixel: ha [12:37] Larry Pixel: Alan scooped me [12:37] Smanning Lancaster: The only way I survived the first hour was to have a friend give me a personal tour [12:37] Larry Pixel: lol [12:37] Buddy Sprocket: lol [12:37] Beatnik Sage: is there classroom scheduling/booking resource? If so, does it include classroom resources, such as whiteboard or live speech capable? [12:37] Buddy Sprocket: the orientation area was on your graphic of the planned new layout... [12:37] totally Vavoom: that's definitely an asset, having a friend available in therewhen you start off [12:37] Magda Voss: yes .. here here.. [12:37] RobertKlein Dogpatch: The "Buddy System" seems to work the best. [12:37] Smanning Lancaster: otherwise I might have been stuck on orientation or the carnival [12:37] Brett Bjornson: Teleportation Trail is a great way to get started. [12:38] Robins Hermano: Agreed, wandering around exporing is the best way to begin figuring things out [12:39] Chaz Maloney: I rember telling faculty to spend time with the overhead projector before using it....they never change :-) [12:39] Veranol gives Aracos a big hug. [12:39] Magda Voss: I think it helps to share TPs with new folks as they are wandering.. to help new folds get their sea legs. [12:39] RobertKlein Dogpatch: New Citizens Plaza has been the most help for newbies that I have signed up [12:39] Buddy Sprocket: new citizens plaza is the best place... [12:39] Sullivan Tomcat: Is the NMC lead deasigner Robin Winters here? [12:40] totally Vavoom: that in my mind is the challenge to some degree. This is going to require a greater time investment, aside from others, than say getting familiar with BB or PowerPoint might [12:40] Farley Scarborough: /agrees, New Citizens Plaza is great. [12:40] Larry Pixel: Shuk is on campus [12:40] Magda Voss: yes, you really do end up spending extra time 1 [12:41] Buddy Sprocket: Read some papers which talk about enhanced feeling of 'presence' and related benefits vs Web based apps [12:42] Sullivan Tomcat: feeling of presence is really important. [12:42] Chaz Maloney: pedagogy evolves here as in RL ---behaviorism to cognitivism to social learning theories seem to matter more than features of the place... in my humble opinion [12:42] Buddy Sprocket: sure thing chaz [12:42] Ninmah Ash: If I have missed your questions, feel free to IM them to me [12:43] totally Vavoom: Ninmah: Some feedback from my students: Thye found it easier to participate and interact in the group discussions in SL rather than in RL. They said there were fewere "awkaward silences" [12:43] Ninmah Ash: ty Totally [12:43] Chaz Maloney: thanx ninmah [12:43] Sullivan Tomcat: yeah - it would be a cool project to connect different pedagogical models to actual experiments in SL [12:43] Ninmah Ash: I'll pass it along [12:43] Sullivan Tomcat: that anyone could try out with their classes... [12:44] Shukran Fahid: hello there larry :P [12:45] Ninmah Ash: They will repeat this question in a moment, folks [12:46] Larry Pixel: Our lead builder, Shukaran Fahid has joined us from the UK [12:46] Ninmah Ash: Hi there Shukran [12:46] Larry Pixel: Shukran [12:46] Shukran Fahid: hey nin [12:46] Shukran Fahid: Thank You! [12:46] RobertKlein Dogpatch: Great looking build Shukran [12:49] Chaz Maloney: nothing exists outside of secondlife... hope nobody is tempted to quote that out of context :-) [12:49] totally Vavoom: lol! [12:50] Magda Voss: hah ! [12:51] Chaz Maloney: I've heard rumours of linden labs turning the SL world to opensource...just rumours? That would certainly change property concerns [12:51] RobertKlein Dogpatch: They did it. [12:51] Buddy Sprocket: the client is Open... [12:51] Aracos Varayez: not just rumours the truth ;-) [12:51] Buddy Sprocket: but currently not the servers... [12:51] Buddy Sprocket: though they claim that they will... [12:52] Chaz Maloney: speechless [12:52] Boris Grommet: The server doesn't need to be open - just the protocols, so I can take my SL clothing to WoW (or viceversa) [12:53] HVX Silverstar: In the Nov or Dec Town Hall it was mentioned that members may be able to manage there own servers down the road... SL time. [12:54] Sullivan Tomcat: hmmm... whats interesting to me is the possibility to interface other software with SL that would make it easier to "interact" [12:56] Magda Voss: the move to OS would help solve those issues that come up with running SL in an education lab; if we could run on our own server, for example -- right ?... [12:57] Beatnik Sage: yeah - cause you could control the updates