16:30] Limitlessness Infinity: thanks Larry ....great intro. ( i'd love that animation script please ) [16:31] Kieran Kiernan: wb, kim! [16:31] Larry Pixel: yes [16:31] Bron Bloxome: all good [16:31] Limitlessness Infinity: at least you've got one [16:32] Limitlessness Infinity: :) [16:32] Limitlessness Infinity: lol [16:32] Kieran Kiernan: Fight the power, Kim. [16:32] Limitlessness Infinity: yup...but we soldier on [16:33] Limitlessness Infinity: some background from me - http://flickr.com/photos/mobology/sets/72157602628516207/ [16:33] Bron Bloxome: network manager have a serious role to play [16:33] Limitlessness Infinity: support docs only :) [16:33] Limitlessness Infinity: wikispaces is open my way so we use it extensively [16:34] Bron Bloxome: duty of care [16:35] Limitlessness Infinity: some great comments that synthesised (our) views over here - http://cogdogroo.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/mommy/ [16:36] Limitlessness Infinity: indeed..... [16:36] Limitlessness Infinity: happy to answer question via chat... [16:36] Limitlessness Infinity: questions/s [16:36] Limitlessness Infinity: uh huh [16:37] MountRoyal Aeon: yep [16:37] Lyr Lobo: yes, sounds good *smiles* [16:37] Teko Pinion: yup [16:37] Limitlessness Infinity: one voice clapping [16:37] Limitlessness Infinity: :) [16:38] Limitlessness Infinity: Twitter is a great mechanism to extend upon the concepts of networked moo's....http://www.nswlearnscope.com/twitter-eek-eek [16:39] Kieran Kiernan: (Can you give bg re: why it was blocked?) [16:39] Limitlessness Infinity: which incidently Kim you've got a great model going with drama in SL [16:39] Kieran Kiernan: If you're comfortable saying. [16:39] Limitlessness Infinity: ports are an isue [16:39] Limitlessness Infinity: perceptions of bot intrusions etc [16:40] Limitlessness Infinity: probably not.....they found other ones to block [16:40] Limitlessness Infinity: :) [16:40] Larry Pixel: views on newtwork security are much different in other countries [16:40] Kieran Kiernan: Thank you. [16:40] Limitlessness Infinity: it's called the move from the Great Australian Dream to the Great Australian Unblock [16:40] Teko Pinion: sounds most familiar [16:40] Larry Pixel: even here in the US by sector -- K-12 for example [16:40] Limitlessness Infinity: indeed Larry [16:41] Limitlessness Infinity: hey Kev *waves* [16:41] Kieran Kiernan loves her IT guys. [16:41] Limitlessness Infinity: same [16:41] Kieran Kiernan: (And I'm not just saying that because they're reading this.) [16:41] Limitlessness Infinity: they just wont drink beer with me [16:42] Limitlessness Infinity: often enough.... [16:42] Kieran Kiernan: *hug* [16:42] Teko Pinion: :-) sure [16:42] Limitlessness Infinity: yes....to socialise with the "us".....are we just pushing things a little too fast ? [16:42] Marie Torricelli: can you expand on the meaning of "post-human future"? [16:42] Larry Pixel: In schools in general, very much depends on the enlightened benevolence of the IT Director -- all of the reward structures for them are based on preventing hacks and attacks -- not on making access to new technology easy [16:43] Limitlessness Infinity: the embedded human computer as expounded by Victoria Vesne, Stellarc [16:43] Larry Pixel: but Kim is so right -- we need them and they need us [16:43] Limitlessness Infinity: Elisia Giacardi [16:43] Marie Torricelli: thanks [16:43] Marie Torricelli: yes [16:43] Limitlessness Infinity: *Vesna [16:43] Teko Pinion: yup [16:44] Limitlessness Infinity: I'll try and keep the chat unblocked [16:45] Limitlessness Infinity: Wikipedia is seen as a work of the devil in my part of the world....why ? because it redefines who "we" are ? [16:45] Bron Bloxome: hey there Larry [16:46] Bron Bloxome: at stake? [16:46] Ravenelle Zugzwang is Offline [16:46] Gainer Gopheller: The professional freedom to choose appropriate material is taken away from the teacher [16:46] Bron Bloxome: research authenticity [16:46] Roxy Wrigglesworth: learning opportunities [16:46] CDB Barkley: access to potentially useful resources, and the chance to learn how to use them properly [16:46] Marie Torricelli: Freedom of expression as well. [16:47] Bron Bloxome: kids need tools of the real world practices but they also need safety [16:47] Larry Pixel: Hi Bron [16:47] Issac Edman: We have some faculty that are more willing to disallow it then others. [16:47] Gainer Gopheller: I was blocked from youtube the same way.. [16:47] CDB Barkley: access to what I would say is a contemporary resource that students are going to need to understand [16:47] Bron Bloxome: IT guys are not included in decisions - they do not have ownership [16:47] linzij Aabye: imagine working in a college where url with sex is blocked? difficult forming communication with Sussex University or Middlesex in the UK! Actually happened ! [16:47] Gainer Gopheller: Luckily, our IT department was willing to unblock youtube [16:47] Roxy Wrigglesworth: working in a Catholic School division, we are often blocked from various resources. [16:47] Bron Bloxome: they need to be included in decision making and part of innovative teams [16:47] Marie Torricelli: The ability for students to participate in editing in the real world as well. [16:47] Lyr Lobo: I have heard scholars at conferences who are validating Wikipedia content. I teach my son and students to use good judgment when viewing content and check the references... [16:47] MountRoyal Aeon: A few years ago, some streaming video/music sites were blocked due to the large bandwidth issues. [16:48] Ravenelle Zugzwang is Online [16:48] Lyr Lobo grins [16:48] Marie Torricelli: Lyr - That's exactly why they need access to Wikipedia and other like sites - so they can learn to view with insight and become discerning. [16:49] Roxy Wrigglesworth: I agree Marie [16:49] Issac Edman: I think if it is understood what this tool really is, it can be acceptable - but not the majority source of references. [16:49] Marie Torricelli: become critical thinkers [16:49] Limitlessness Infinity: hehe [16:49] Lyr Lobo nods and agrees with Marie [16:49] Limitlessness Infinity: the revolving door of evolution | architectures of communication [16:49] Issac Edman: Excellent, this is a form of critical thinking [16:49] Larry Pixel nods as well [16:50] Lyr Lobo: I hit the enclopedia dramatica's version of L33t and it was very funny, but also offensive. still, entertaining and a great spoof against the wikipedia material... [16:50] Lyr Lobo: but I did not subject you to it *smiles* [16:50] Larry Pixel: and we love you for that Lyr [16:50] Lyr Lobo: hehe [16:50] Larry Pixel: :) [16:50] Bron Bloxome: Andrew Keen thinks so too - "Cult of the Amateur" [16:50] Limitlessness Infinity: so the ease ( relative ) participation is actually challenging the notion of "community" ? [16:50] Marie Torricelli: Ha! As if their textbooks are all credible?! [16:51] Marie Torricelli: In KY they have texts that validate creationism. [16:51] Bron Bloxome: crtical literacy is what kids need to learn [16:51] Limitlessness Infinity: @kimpasternak - folks from Twitter saying hi *waving* [16:51] Lyr Lobo: hehe [16:51] Bron Bloxome: new media literacy AND critical literacy [16:52] Limitlessness Infinity: Bron [16:52] Limitlessness Infinity: we need to get those on the register ya ? [16:52] Limitlessness Infinity: they seem to missing from the audience [16:52] Limitlessness Infinity: sorry......curriculum [16:52] Limitlessness Infinity: lol [16:52] Lyr Lobo: i can volunteer [16:52] Bron Bloxome: yes for sure [16:52] Limitlessness Infinity: I wont put my hand up just in case [16:53] Lyr Lobo: teacher [16:53] Limitlessness Infinity: great ideas Kim [16:53] Stella Costello is Offline [16:53] Lyr Lobo: hehe [16:53] Lyr Lobo: yes [16:54] Lyr Lobo: i have a mike, but did not want to interfere *smiles* [16:54] Lyr Lobo: bron is gonna jumpme for the teacher badge [16:54] Larry Pixel: lol [16:54] Limitlessness Infinity: more educational examples of SL over at http://sleducation.wikispaces.com [16:54] Larry Pixel: very carefully put, Kim [16:54] Stella Costello is Online [16:54] Bron Bloxome: busy busy busy [16:54] Lyr Lobo smiles warmly, looking a little nervous [16:54] Bron Bloxome: grrrrrrrr [16:54] Bron Bloxome: users [16:54] Lyr Lobo: hello [16:54] Larry Pixel: lol [16:54] Bron Bloxome: grrrrrrr [16:54] Limitlessness Infinity: lol [16:54] Bron Bloxome: how can I help you? [16:55] Lyr Lobo: let's see..well my students seem to be unable to conduct research [16:55] Larry Pixel: use voice if you are ore comfrotable [16:55] Marie Torricelli: good idea [16:55] Limitlessness Infinity: great idea [16:55] Larry Pixel: bron do you have voice? [16:55] Bron Bloxome: I do [16:55] Limitlessness Infinity: text to voice [16:55] Larry Pixel: she does [16:56] Limitlessness Infinity: voice>tex [16:56] Larry Pixel: we hear you [16:56] Marie Torricelli: yes we can [16:56] Limitlessness Infinity: got u [16:56] Jared Pixel is Online [16:56] Larry Pixel: hehhhhe [16:57] Limitlessness Infinity: oooo.... ( bitchy ) [16:57] Lyr Lobo: hehe [16:57] Marie Torricelli: gotta luv the silence [16:57] Limitlessness Infinity: great work folks [16:57] Larry Pixel: send 'em to Hollywood [16:57] Limitlessness Infinity: where's my Machinima camera *darn* [16:58] Limitlessness Infinity: yup done so Kim [16:58] Limitlessness Infinity: thats why I'm sittin' on my ass [16:58] Limitlessness Infinity: omg........this is just like the "real" thing......it goes on [16:58] Limitlessness Infinity: *clap clap* [16:59] Bron Bloxome: we could go on for ages [16:59] Larry Pixel: that was great!!!!! [16:59] Marie Torricelli: terrific! [16:59] Lyr Lobo: haha [16:59] Larry Pixel: /clap!! [16:59] Lyr Lobo: well I dislike censsure ship... *smiles* [16:59] Larry Pixel: dialog [16:59] Lyr Lobo: and prefer students to learn to discern [16:59] Limitlessness Infinity: the beginings of a critical debtae [16:59] Bron Bloxome: nice approach Lyr - not conforntational [16:59] Limitlessness Infinity: *debate [16:59] Lyr Lobo: IT isn't the enemy... exposure to more sources is my goal *smiles* [17:00] Limitlessness Infinity: architecture to protect the *kicks under the desk [17:00] Zotarah Shepherd: How can students learn critical dissernment if you sanitize everytinng in a classroom? [17:00] Issac Edman: Discussion of what good things can happen by exploring the resource [17:00] Marie Torricelli: very civil and a sense that they were actully maybe even listening to one another [17:00] Bron Bloxome: Lyr explained HOW it was ging to be used [17:00] Lyr Lobo nods at Zotarah [17:00] Lyr Lobo: (they tell me no all the time, but I am like water on a rock...I just keep working it...) [17:00] Marie Torricelli: Not typical , I fear [17:00] Zotarah Shepherd: Oh yes I have heard this [17:00] Limitlessness Infinity: sort of......pretty much but differs from location to mlocation [17:01] Marie Torricelli: Most would simply say "We don't make the policy" [17:01] Roxy Wrigglesworth: yes, typical answer [17:01] Gainer Gopheller: Not at mine, but I consider myself lucky [17:01] Lyr Lobo smiles [17:01] Roxy Wrigglesworth: yes [17:01] Limitlessness Infinity: it's genarklly not the IT as an issue [17:01] Issac Edman: Our IT group may be more favorable to this. Its the acadmics that would have a prob lem [17:01] Kieran Kiernan: Prof H, that was my question. Is it really the IT "guys" that make such decisions? [17:01] Limitlessness Infinity: it's the policy McMakers [17:01] Bron Bloxome: yes - we don't make the policy is often said and is also often true [17:01] Lyr Lobo: our legal and compliance folks are even more restrictive [17:01] Kieran Kiernan: lol policy McMakers! [17:01] Bron Bloxome: policy makers [17:01] Marie Torricelli: McMakers *heh* [17:02] Larry Pixel: someone has an open mike [17:02] Larry Pixel: and is on the phone [17:02] Marie Torricelli: yep [17:02] Lyr Lobo: i hear this one a lot [17:02] Limitlessness Infinity: Dear [edited] help, please ask the *&^% department to unblock the category "wiki".- not just the address below. a My colleagues and I have been using wikis in a Professional Development capacity for all of 2007.[NSW Learnscope] b I am about to construct a whole online site using wiki as the entry point/interface for students. There are several wiki sites/spaces we are using at present - and I do not know all of the addresses. If wikis are blocked- Kiss goodbye to innovation and meeting students needs. [17:02] Lyr Lobo: SL takes 300k per user, I am told [17:03] Limitlessness Infinity: a quote from one of my colleagues [17:03] Bron Bloxome: Quest Atlantis is used in schools around the globe [17:03] Lyr Lobo: (according tot he measurements when i ran ... oh per hour... i assume [17:03] Limitlessness Infinity: video conferncing takes 660 kb [17:03] Lyr Lobo: while i am in class [17:03] Lyr Lobo: they measure me *laughs* [17:03] Limitlessness Infinity: a millisecond [17:03] Lyr Lobo: (ya good point [17:03] Bron Bloxome: http://questatlantis.org [17:03] Lyr Lobo: per ms [17:03] Lyr Lobo: sorry, was not focusing on your question *smiles and stops her IMs) [17:03] Limitlessness Infinity: whats that Bron ? [17:04] Bron Bloxome: but the limits are as you say not realistic by today's standards [17:04] Bron Bloxome: Quest Atlantis is a 3D mulituser world for kids aged 9-13 - built with Active Worlds [17:04] Limitlessness Infinity: and the AFLF has been pushing the boundaries constantly to encourage innovation admidst legal chaos [17:05] Limitlessness Infinity: wisked...ta [17:05] Bron Bloxome: http://questatlantis.org [17:05] Limitlessness Infinity: *wicked [17:05] Limitlessness Infinity: *bookmarked [17:05] Bron Bloxome: managed by Indiana University and the brainchild of Sasha Barab [17:05] Lyr Lobo: shouldn't be a battle [17:05] Limitlessness Infinity: but of course [17:05] Limitlessness Infinity: Sasha rocks [17:06] Bron Bloxome: I manage the asis-pacific implementation and online teacher PD [17:06] Lyr Lobo: as it is already a struggle to adopt new technology, learn how to use it effective, and think of new features and help generate/create them [17:06] Lyr Lobo: effectively [17:06] Lyr Lobo smiles at Jared [17:06] Limitlessness Infinity: we are faltering on losing innovation for qulaity standards......one has a substantially larger budget requirement and more CEO's [17:07] Limitlessness Infinity: and havent we seen that of late in the land down under...... [17:07] Limitlessness Infinity: hehe [17:07] Limitlessness Infinity: yup [17:09] Limitlessness Infinity: good point Kim [17:09] Limitlessness Infinity: some would argue.... [17:09] Limitlessness Infinity: do we need the Federal Safety net initiatives then ? [17:10] Limitlessness Infinity: the ability to negotiate online spaces and places safely [17:11] Zotarah Shepherd: It is like banning hammers if they are used to hurt someone. Tools can be weapons or can be used to build. [17:11] Limitlessness Infinity: hmmmm.......so the revolution is in gaining connection, advocating for access, placarding marble foyers [17:11] Limitlessness Infinity: great point Zotarah [17:12] Marie Torricelli: or tweezers and nail clippers on airplanes [17:12] Zotarah Shepherd: Yes [17:12] Limitlessness Infinity: or C20 Starships in SL [17:12] Marie Torricelli: what a thought! [17:12] Larry Pixel: absolutely [17:12] Larry Pixel: terrific [17:12] Limitlessness Infinity: love that word......validation [17:13] Limitlessness Infinity: 6 billion dollars worth of widgets [17:13] Limitlessness Infinity: lol [17:13] Lyr Lobo: we can explore and manage risk... [17:13] Lyr Lobo: risk exposure...and the consequences of risk... [17:13] Limitlessness Infinity: perhaps risk needs to be interrogated not managed [17:14] Limitlessness Infinity: *magnified [17:14] Lyr Lobo: well we identify and asssess the exposure, then figure out where the prevent or handle it should it occur [17:14] Lyr Lobo: whether... [17:14] Lyr Lobo: (tired) [17:14] Issac Edman: The same concern were expressed about the Web itself - now corporations live on it [17:15] Limitlessness Infinity: indeed Issac [17:15] Lyr Lobo: yes [17:15] Lyr Lobo: fear and uncertainty *smiles* we face them quite often [17:15] Larry Pixel: could it be? YES! [17:15] Larry Pixel: doh [17:15] Limitlessness Infinity: the corporation "are" the machine and it's become part if us [17:15] Limitlessness Infinity: *of [17:16] Limitlessness Infinity: we preclude students ( learners) too oftne [17:16] Marie Torricelli: exactly [17:16] Limitlessness Infinity: from the very policy which governs them [17:17] Limitlessness Infinity: http://flickr.com/photos/mobology/sets/72157602628516207/ [17:17] Limitlessness Infinity: tag 'unblockedu' [17:17] Limitlessness Infinity: the premise being to open the discussion [17:17] Limitlessness Infinity: :) [17:18] Lyr Lobo claps [17:18] Marie Torricelli: /claps [17:18] Limitlessness Infinity: no questions.......sheesh [17:18] Kim Pasternak: me@kimflintoff.com [17:18] Limitlessness Infinity: http://alexanderhayes.com [17:18] Marie Torricelli: thanks very much, Kim. That was very good. [17:18] HVX Silverstar: great! [17:18] Limitlessness Infinity: when it works....... [17:19] Limitlessness Infinity: just look at what it costs to run the photocopier [17:19] Limitlessness Infinity: it's a mixture of answers and debatable points [17:20] Marie Torricelli: Can we get a copy of your slides, Kim? [17:20] Limitlessness Infinity: yes...I think we acknoledged it's not about IT individuals [17:21] Limitlessness Infinity: rather the policies generated to preclude things [17:21] Kim Pasternak: slides are at http://www.slideshare.net/kimbowa [17:21] Marie Torricelli: thank you [17:21] Roxy Wrigglesworth: thank you [17:22] Limitlessness Infinity: :) [17:22] Limitlessness Infinity: thanks Larry [17:22] Zotarah Shepherd: Excellent presentation. Thank you. [17:22] Limitlessness Infinity: much appreciated [17:22] Issac Edman: Many thanks [17:22] Limitlessness Infinity: beers is over on the left [17:22] Kim Pasternak: THANKS LARRY!! [17:22] Slugger Sosa: Thanks a bunch. Great day. [17:22] Kim Pasternak: *********RUUUUUUUBGAAAA*********** [17:22] Gainer Gopheller: Thanks Kim [17:22] HVX Silverstar: thank you [17:23] Issac Edman: Time to shovel snow - six inches outside! [17:23] Lyr Lobo: Thanks...great session! [17:23] Issac Edman: /claps [17:23] Lyr Lobo: Bron, you are a great resistor *grins* [17:23] Limitlessness Infinity: thsnks Larry [17:23] Limitlessness Infinity: much appreciated [17:23] nota Oh shouts: /clap/clap [17:23] Kieran Kiernan: Thanks, you two. Great, great session! [17:23] Hawc Decosta applauds! [17:24] Limitlessness Infinity: looking forward to seeing that [17:24] Limitlessness Infinity: good idea