[11:29] CDB Barkley: brilliant sunshine in Arizona [11:29] Lindie Thursday: COLD [11:29] Doug Mandelbrot: Rain [11:29] Eva Ames: sunny in san diego [11:29] Carrie Umarov: Snowing and freezing - Athabasca, Canada [11:29] CDB Barkley: pushing high 70s [11:29] Bouligny Fall: Nice and cool in the 60s in New Orleans. Beautiful [11:29] Trancecracker Kit: sunny & 60s in the SE [11:29] Elis Smythe: snow, cold, windy at Cornell [11:29] Onetti Miles: is night at Barcelona [11:29] nota Oh: yup snow in WI [11:30] Jen Dix: cloudy in Indiana [11:30] toster Oh: Cool & sunny in Houston. [11:32] CDB Barkley: we hear ya [11:33] Kieran Kiernan: Thanks, Zotarah and CDB :) [11:33] Victor Park: Doug audio is low. [11:35] CDB Barkley: no shiny stuff? [11:35] CDB Barkley: /ok [11:35] Marcia Kjeller: no resources to re-read and share? [11:43] Trancecracker Kit: heya! [11:44] Trancecracker Kit: :-D [11:44] Doug Mandelbrot: Hi Trancecracker -- long time no see [11:45] Trancecracker Kit: lol [11:46] Doug Mandelbrot: My virtual me is me -- pretty much [11:46] Doug Mandelbrot: Not always with the cool shades [11:46] Victor Park: Doesnt the avatar really tell us how much time people have to work on their avatar? [11:47] Carol Hula: I have difficulty "trusting" people in SL who I think look "scary" of who's attire is non-professional....can you comment? [11:48] Carol Hula: or not of [11:48] iang Oh: do you keep corporate roles in your other spaces [11:48] Kieran Kiernan: Elisha, excellent point. There are RISKS to friendship, aren't there? [11:49] Carol Hula: Please comment on my question? [11:49] Kieran Kiernan: Sorry, Carol. Let me check chat, one second. [11:50] Kieran Kiernan: Oh, yes ... "scary" avatars! [11:50] Carol Hula: some are non-human [11:50] Kieran Kiernan: I will comment on that after Doug. [11:50] Carol Hula: thanks [11:51] Kieran Kiernan: :) [11:51] Onetti Miles: Can you separate virtual life and real life? [11:51] Kieran Kiernan: Onetti, I eblieve it's different for different people. [11:51] Kieran Kiernan: At first, I didn't get SL at all. I mean ... AT ALL. [11:51] Kieran Kiernan: Building a relationship with someone in here helped me to. [11:51] Victor Park: People who are "hubs"? [11:51] Carol Hula: i think if you come from a gaming background, it is easier to separate [11:52] Onetti Miles: virtual is real too [11:52] Kieran Kiernan: I agree, Onetti. [11:53] Kieran Kiernan: For me, yes, Sashah. [11:53] Kieran Kiernan: I have an avatar, therefore I am. ;) [11:53] Onetti Miles: For me is dificult to understand the diference between virtual and real [11:54] CDB Barkley: I've been meeting people after knwoing them online back to early 90s, have yet to been "fooled" or find they are different as how I knew them [11:54] Carol Hula: It is fascinating to see that some of us, myself and Doug, have avatars that (loosley, in my case) resemble ourselves,.....yet others are way out there..... [11:55] Carol Hula: i'm sure it will make a great research project!! :o) [11:55] Onetti Miles: i can't hear you could you talk louder please [11:55] Onetti Miles: thanks [11:55] Onetti Miles: yes [11:56] Carol Hula: how we would like to be perhaps? fascinating (as Spock would say) [11:56] CDB Barkley: Is there any understanding of re-use of shared photos? [11:56] Carol Hula: i'm in the same boat..... [11:57] toster Oh: Carol - I've met someone in SL who has 3 different alternate avatars, yet all 3 more or less resemble the person behind the keyboard. [11:57] Carol Hula: good! [11:58] Carol Hula: real or virtually? hee hee [11:58] Doug Mandelbrot: Go Laryy! [11:58] CDB Barkley: there is the appearance + what you get to know about their avatar pesonality [11:58] Marcia Kjeller: Search: epredator potato to see a photo [11:58] Carol Hula: how did u get to know him? [11:59] Onetti Miles: why do we have to differenciate between virtual and real? I come from a virtual university with more than 35.000 students and they real! [11:59] Marcia Kjeller: Sorry: Search: People tab: Find "epredator potato" (no quotes) [12:00] Onetti Miles: totally virtual [12:00] Carrie Umarov: Link to epredator look: http://www.flickr.com/photos/taotakashi/553835265/ [12:00] Onetti Miles: yes [12:01] Doug Mandelbrot: Video chat is another interesting modality [12:01] CDB Barkley: are facebook "friends" at same level as SL ones? flickr? twitter? [12:01] CDB Barkley: good [12:02] CDB Barkley: You live in western MD [12:02] Doug Mandelbrot: CDB -- the best is a friend ini multiple modalities [12:02] CDB Barkley: I grew up in Baltimore [12:02] CDB Barkley: Lives of the Monster Dogs [12:02] CDB Barkley: great book [12:03] CDB Barkley: they are better prepped then we were [12:04] Chimera Cosmos: My son (age 21) flew to Chicago to visit two friends of 2 years. First time face to face, from World of Warcraft clan. [12:04] Kieran Kiernan: Well put, goodwitch. [12:04] Kieran Kiernan: I think of SL and similar spaces as brains having direct encounters. [12:04] Carol Hula: my son,, age 9, has been playing a real time MPOG for years - Disney's Toontown [12:05] Carol Hula: his avatar is --- well -- a donkey....but a nice one [12:05] Kieran Kiernan: I believe that's true, Hecter ... minds, souls, hearts, however you think of that energy. [12:06] CDB Barkley: IBM is pretty innovative to embrace this concept... how many orgs will? [12:07] Victor Park: wouldnt video chat give you more detailed non verbal information than a cartoon avatar [12:07] CDB Barkley: I like that there is some part of the visualization done in the mind, victor [12:07] CDB Barkley: imagination needs exercise [12:08] Doug Mandelbrot: TBut Kah3na -- maybe doing something is just emotional support -- not necessarily bringing a covered dish ? [12:09] Carol Hula: i agree, CDB, the avatar is a reflection of the creativity and imagination [12:10] Chimera Cosmos: What fraction of IBM employees use Bee Hive? [12:10] Doug Mandelbrot: About 400 people on Beehive now [12:10] Doug Mandelbrot: About 5000 IBMers on Second Life [12:10] Chimera Cosmos: wow [12:10] CDB Barkley: amazing [12:10] Doug Mandelbrot: Abbout 25,000 IBMers on Facebook [12:10] Chimera Cosmos: double wow [12:10] CDB Barkley: all that poking [12:10] Onetti Miles: 25,000 real persons [12:11] Doug Mandelbrot: multiple channels is important goodwitch [12:11] Chimera Cosmos: Do IBMers in SL hang out in a private IBM land? [12:12] Doug Mandelbrot: A question is relationship between rich virtual friendship vs a co-located one on the one hand and vs. an empoverished virtual one on the other hand [12:13] Kieran Kiernan: Chimera, tht's a good question. [12:13] Kieran Kiernan: I did, at first, hang out in IBM spaces. And I didn't get SL at all ... "there's nothing to do!" [12:14] Kieran Kiernan: A friend TPd me someplace one day, randomly, and it all really opened my eyes to SL and VWs and their possibilities. [12:14] Kieran Kiernan: That simple TP helped not only deepend my friendship with that particular person, but the friendship itself transformed my relationship with the space. [12:15] Kieran Kiernan: ehehe [12:15] Onetti Miles: Kieran so we are talking about time and space, both real [12:15] Kieran Kiernan: Time, space, and action [12:15] Onetti Miles: yes [12:15] CDB Barkley: I chose a dog avatar out of frustration of making a likable human, and matches my interests- when I met a colleague I knew from SL the first time F2F, she thought I was "scary" like my avatar. [12:15] Chimera Cosmos: I have a friend from RL who now hangs out on Second Nature Island and says that librarians are the most interesting people he has met in many year. [12:15] Chimera Cosmos: s [12:15] Victor Park: What is the software for BEEHIVE [12:16] Kieran Kiernan: I don't know, Victor. I can find out, if you like? [12:16] Campbell Camel: I have heard that communication is 7% what is said, 43% tone, and 50% nonverbal. How does this translate into a virtual world? [12:16] Chimera Cosmos: My friend is helping to build chemistry things there - big molecules and such. We're in chemical education. [12:17] Chimera Cosmos: Nature Island belongs to Nature magazine. [12:17] Silver Tomorrow: it was me: i have had some ppl comment to me in SL, thatthey believe that the connections btwn ppl are strengthed and amplified by the electonic lines of the networks we travel [12:17] Trancecracker Kit: the nonverbal is MUCH different virtually [12:18] Doug Mandelbrot: Those percetages are about verbal -- which we don't have to abandon -- SL and other modes are *additive* [12:18] Onetti Miles: yes I agree [12:19] Victor Park: How do you make friends in 2nd Life? There is usually no one here and when there is someone they do not answer? [12:19] CDB Barkley: Friendship takes time and shared experiences, Victor [12:19] Onetti Miles: and both you can do it online [12:19] CDB Barkley: Like this conference [12:20] Doug Mandelbrot: Victor -- my experience is that friendships in SL come as a result of shared activities -- not just finding people randomly in SL [12:20] Silver Tomorrow: can the guts be transferred to RL? [12:20] Doug Mandelbrot: Though people to make friends strictly from social experiences (clubs, etc.) [12:20] Onetti Miles: Are you saying that when you have an aim or and objetive you become real and if you are just spending time with out an aim you are virtual? [12:21] Victor Park: "Went and did some stuff" -- eplain please [12:21] Elis Smythe: can you quickly comment on the other side of the equation>? meaning, people are often bolder virtually in a socially negative way. [12:21] CDB Barkley: Yay [12:21] Trancecracker Kit: thanks Kieran & Doug!!! [12:21] Porterhouse Dobbs: Thank you! [12:21] CDB Barkley: Great Conversations [12:21] Silver Tomorrow: Thank you! [12:21] CDB Barkley: Weeee! ^.^ [12:21] CDB Barkley: Weeee! ^.^ [12:21] Trancecracker Kit: /clap [12:21] Kieran Kiernan: Victor: We went shopping! [12:21] Carrie Umarov: Thanks for the presentation, very thought provoking. [12:21] nota Oh: /chap [12:21] Chispa Cela: thanks! [12:22] Doug Mandelbrot: Thanks! [12:22] Victor Park: Far and away my best experience in SL so far! [12:22] Kieran Kiernan: Thanks, everyone! [12:22] Onetti Miles: thanks