CDB Barkley: audio is now coming through Pixye Kips: *claps* Thursday Xu: woohoo Gergor Svoboda: clap Byul Baroque: applause CDB Barkley: yeah Aurili Oh: applauds Gergor Svoboda: yes CDB Barkley: Go Maricopa! CDB Barkley: and NCSTATE Pixye Kips: woohoo NC State Mitch Pizzicato: where are these slides? PuppyToes Barthelmess: oops folks, slides are out of order...go ahead and just flow with the story Megs Jayaram: i can't see the slides? Zapp Aeon: there is a cube immediately above the speakers' heads Mitch Pizzicato: Ahh. Coming into focus now. Aurili Oh: takes time to rez Rane Mistwallow: I cant see the slides CDB Barkley: Rane, where are you watcing Maali Beck: toggle your video button Free Radar HUD: /me v1.1 by Crystal Gadgets Zapp Aeon: thanks :) Hazelyn Graves: I can't see the slides Stella Costello: Please feel free to IM me if you are having difficulties Ilene Pratt: Google Scholar! JR Zimminy: Our librarians here use Zotero Zapp Aeon: yeah google scholar is a great one Fireland Flanagan: archives.org Aurili Oh: twitter Ilene Pratt: US government resources that are only on the web now Zapp Aeon: blogs too Chimera Cosmos: they were getting sued by the makers of Endnote--anyone know how that played out? Aurili Oh: i get tweets about great stuff Lyr Lobo: me too *smiles* Gerda Wirefly: google books David Lustgarten: Perhaps the speakers could read any type that is on the slides,that would be great. Thanks! Wooz McGinnis: the slides are mostly images Wooz McGinnis: not much text, but we'll describe the text that is relevant CDB Barkley: Sorry but the cat shuffled thr slides Byul Baroque: our library has us access Google Scholar through the library itself. Ilene Pratt: Byul, right! If you use Google Scholar through your library, you'll get linked tot he full text your library can provide. Chimera Cosmos: yes--when I use google scholar on campus, there is a direct link to the article if the library owns access! Eliana Jigsaw: @Aurili Oh Twitter, yes! Follow me - @jellystar. Care to share your handle? Chimera Cosmos: same as Ilene lol Aurili Oh: w're using facebook and myspace Byul Baroque: setting up e-reserves so that the students can access for distance education Jarold String: streaming video Aurili Oh: to conect with students Jarold String: film on demand Gerda Wirefly: instant messaging Larry Johnson: well more and more academic papers are being published as pdfs and can be found on the web Jenny Vargas: I think you are qualifying libraries as only warehouse for print sources...I think that is a very narrow view of libraries Cady Siddeley: Librarians on demand via various IM programs CDB Barkley: issus Bouligny Fall: articles with commentPress access Cathy Arreguin: pdfs even being reposted to other folks collections HVX Silverstar: more open source journals Aurili Oh: creating a library presence where they hang out CDB Barkley: And google is now indexing PDFs Gerda Wirefly: podcasts Chimera Cosmos: it's more about the attitudes of faculty, right? Oggie Ballinger: Immersive environments. Zapp Aeon: has anyone said Scribd? Larry Johnson: the presenters can see your chat from whereever you are, so feel free to send comments or questions from anywhere Chimera Cosmos: ah, and Slideshare Wooz McGinnis: great example, Zapp Media Moonsoo: hiya Corwin! Jamer Jarman: does anyone else see 'dnagerous lack of irony' flying across the screen every few seconds?? Keene Haywood: Sente and Papers are great for organizing academic papers and pulling papers from online databases (Mac only) Jamer Jarman: very distracting. Chimera Cosmos: don't see that--is it only on one side of cube? Hallucinations Badge: worn, voices off Hallucinations Badge: loading 0/31 Hallucinations Badge: loading 5/31 Hallucinations Badge: loading 10/31 Hallucinations Badge: loading 15/31 Hallucinations Badge: loading 20/31 Hallucinations Badge: loading 25/31 Hallucinations Badge: loading 30/31 Hallucinations Badge: load complete Chimera Cosmos: I start w/google and wikipedia lol Ilene Pratt: If you say "web-based resources", that doesn't work because we have so much material available online only at our libraries. Byul Baroque: their is also the dichotomy between what is a "scholarly" paper and a paper published for the general public - e.i. peer review - and what does that mean, etc. Larry Johnson: Jamer i am not seeing it CDB Barkley: grid here Keene Haywood: DevonTechnologies' DevonAgent is also a great deep search tool that taps into various databases as well as letting you create your own searches. Quite powerful (again Mac only) CDB Barkley: grid on left CDB Barkley: you can get up and look at it Chimera Cosmos: old encyclopedias Thursday Xu: art CDB Barkley: historic maps HVX Silverstar: print maps Larry Johnson: got lag? Red Rocks is nice and speedy, with a great video feed and live chat Chimera Cosmos: old copies of encyclopedias/refs on CD Chimera Cosmos: scroll back :-) Helena Perlmann: blogs Chimera Cosmos: other examples of static too Malta Zanzibar: podcasts Thursday Xu: dynamic: definitions of what is meant by social networking technology Byul Baroque: Wikis are a great example Natalee Barrymore: Wikis yes Chimera Cosmos: right--like web pages in the past Chimera Cosmos: but by owner Oggie Ballinger: moderated listservs? Media Moonsoo: /mg off Larry Pixel: /mg off Byul Baroque: maybe we need a fourth category - continually reviewed - the force of public scrutiny! HVX Silverstar: open peer review: http://gunther-eysenbach.blogspot.com/2008/06/open-peer-review-20-vs-traditional.html Wooz McGinnis: great point! Chimera Cosmos: some podcasts Ninmah Ash: some blogs and podcasts Stella Costello: blogs from experts Gergor Svoboda: blogs Chimera Cosmos: and vlogs Gerda Wirefly: blogs Malta Zanzibar: repositories of learning objects Stella Costello: you bet CDB Barkley: will refer to grid on right Eliana Jigsaw: IS there a copy of the grid for download? CDB Barkley: it will be posted after this session Eliana Jigsaw: Thank you. PuppyToes Barthelmess: yes, we'll get a copy o fthe grid up in the nmc website after the presentation Chimera Cosmos: right of what? Ninmah Ash: If you have questions for the speakers, please type them here or IM them to me and we'll pass them along CDB Barkley: Look for it linked form this session at http://www.nmc.org/2008-fall-virtual-symposium/program Cady Siddeley: Professional (corporate sponsored like NYTimes) blogs vs Personal blogs? Larry Pixel: I love the technique of walking across the chart Stella Costello: clck the pencil for a link Eliana Jigsaw: @larry pixel Me too I've currently got my camera panned over the copy here in this auditorium. CDB Barkley: pencil is hyperlinked Cathy Arreguin: Please type in pencil link? CDB Barkley: http://asgt.livejournal.com/36313.html CDB Barkley: in blogs, posts are self published but comments are moderated... Malta Zanzibar: how would students judge the value of the source using the rubric...I see how it serves to examine various aspects or characteristics of the resource...but how do they decide value? Zapp Aeon: Surely that is part of digital literacy, right? CDB Barkley: it goes across the grid Zapp Aeon: actually that was a response to Malta's initial question Zapp Aeon: :) Malta Zanzibar: it really matches information literacy standards.. Wooz McGinnis: makes sense Ilene Pratt: How can students use the grid to identify authority and credibility of authors? Chimera Cosmos: like other content we assume they already know--often we are wrong :-) CDB Barkley: Is there a third dimension of the amonut of archivedness? Chimera Cosmos: lol PuppyToes Barthelmess: Alan, I love the idea of 3D CDB Barkley: or even what is an "author" in terms of wikis, when there are many, often a longtail distribution of authoring work done Malta Zanzibar: I think that is the difficulty with wikis..sometimes there is not enough information to determine authority Chimera Cosmos: credibility tends to apply within disciplines--for contested knowledge there may be disagreements across peer-reviewed journals Chimera Cosmos: do you help students to understand that? at what level? HVX Silverstar: it's like flattening images and losing the layers David Lustgarten: With scanning initiatives, even special collections might become digitally accessed; so what is the remaining value of the brick & mortar library, if any? CDB Barkley: good point HVX Zapp Aeon: @Chimera yeah that raises the notion of authority and credibility sometimes being a matter of perspective Chimera Cosmos: absolutely Zapp CDB Barkley: Oh the cloud of Google Ninmah Ash: *gasp* :-) Lyr Lobo: hehe I like it... easier to teach students to question and investigate the veracity and usefulness of content then to reject all content at wikipedia Ilene Pratt: Brick & mortar libraries - still have non-digital material - and it's a place to gather, collaborate, use tools that might not be accessible at home. Chimera Cosmos: lol Ninmah JohnHoward: Libraries will still exist to help people sift through the mountainous piles of info available Chimera Cosmos: exactly Lyr! Gerda Wirefly: from the academic perspective, no matter how highly regarded they are, your digital self-published publications don't count in your promotion or building "academic reputation" Zapp Aeon: Critical thinking skills :) Lyr Lobo: very true *smiles* Zapp Aeon: @Gerda yes big problem there right now Vesperpeak Nightfire: They also provide comfortable couches to sleep on between classes Ilene Pratt: Do you guys think it's valid to ask students to use some scholarly sources that they've never used becasue they are hung up on Google for everything?? Keene Haywood: Wikipedia the Missing Manual is a good book to understand Wikipedia a little better and how the editors work Thursday Xu: i cited wikipedia's def. of social networking technology. -in my thesis Cady Siddeley: Is the authority of Wikipedia in the moderators or in the collective authors? Zapp Aeon: perhaps why edublogging can be somewhat insular Alan Sellery: I have colleagues who author and monitor materials in wikipedia in their fields Thursday Xu: coz i was looking for a socially negotiated definition. Chimera Cosmos: wikipedia has some great images from early peer-reviewed articles on social network theory (1970s) Zapp Aeon: @Ilene I think that's quite fair Pixye Kips: I've known of faculty that require students to have a certain number of physical sources (i.e. cannot be accessed electronically), forcing them to use the actual library Keene Haywood: Google Knol? Does not seem to be getting a lot of traction. What has been your experience with this Suzanne Aurilio: yes thank you it was great! Gergor Svoboda: Thank you very much, ladies! PuppyToes Barthelmess: i wish we had time to talk about the "tenure" aspect ...yes! hopefully this grid could help with some of those arguments as well Rane Mistwallow: applausse Cathy Arreguin: /clap JR Zimminy: Thank you! Keene Haywood: Thanks! Gg Riederer: / clap Larry Pixel: /me claps wildly !!! HVX Silverstar: super cool, yea!!!!!!! Kin2002 Amaterasu: Thanks, it was great Zoe Babeli: did the sound go off? PuppyToes Barthelmess: thanks you! Malta Zanzibar: thanks Lyr Lobo: Ilene, scholarly sources are wonderful. The question is how students access them and recognize their usefulness. Some of mine use Google scholar or other search tools, others, the brick and mortar library... me, I love the smell of a good book *grins* and the ease in enlarging online text *chuckles* CDB Barkley: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-. Chimera Cosmos: thanks! CDB Barkley: Weeee! ^.^ Cady Siddeley: Thank you! Media Moonsoo: /a Lyr Lobo: /me claps *grins* David Lustgarten: I wonder what John Dewey and the Pragmatists would say about the Wikipedia phenomenon. Cady Siddeley: :) Larry Pixel: nice job all!! Thursday Xu: thanks! Oggie Ballinger: Thank you, that was very interesting. Zapp Aeon: yaaaay Chimera Cosmos: lol--I think Dewey would approve Lyr Lobo: very stimulating CDB Barkley: yay Gerda Wirefly: thank you Heidi TeeCee: thanks!!! Gg Riederer: Thank you! Elli Pinion: Thank you!!! Stella Costello: thank you! Lyr Lobo: /me chuckles with Chimera CDB Barkley: go Puppytoes and Wooz Rane Mistwallow: thank you Jendesign: thanks for getting this conversation started! David Lustgarten: Thank you. This rubric is a great framework. Lyr Lobo: to David: probably that it needs indexing *laughs* Chimera Cosmos: there is a great Dewey video on YouTube (him talking about schooling--late 40s) PuppyToes Barthelmess: yes, I hope we can continue the convesation in various venues! PuppyToes Barthelmess: ooohhh PuppyToes Barthelmess: @chimera c...I'm going to go look for that Chimera Cosmos: he sounds just like us heheh Zapp Aeon: @puppytoes - absolutely - some fantastic conversations going on here Thursday Xu: hehe Elli Pinion: lol Chimera Cosmos: If you don't fine it--ask--I'll bet the link Chimera Cosmos: get not bet CDB Barkley: see you back at 2-m PDT Chimera Cosmos: and find not fine--aack!! David Lustgarten: Thank you, Chimera. I'll check it out. Louis Menand's "Metaphysical Club" is a great overview of the subject. Lyr Lobo: those malapropisms make it fun *grins* Chimera Cosmos: I think if you put "John Dewey" in search you'll find a lot of good stuff on YouTube