Teachers Buzz Session 7 Transcript
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Object-Name: notetaker 2.0.1
Region: Arah (265216, 238592)
Local-Position: (207, 23, 300)
Meeting on 2006-11-27
CDB Barkley: Welcome folks to the NMC teachers buzz
Lyr Lobo: Heya Trey
Lyr Lobo: Buki ...greetings
CDB Barkley: For those that made it to Lyr's place
Lyr Lobo smiles and nods
Lyr Lobo: Welcome!
Lyr Lobo: Hello Professor Ed!
Lyr Lobo: Carl...
Professor Beliveau: greetings lyr
Professor Beliveau: thanks for having us
Lyr Lobo: Jeffronius *smiles* welcome... it's great to see you, Professor
Lyr Lobo: you had some good questions at the Fall conference
Lyr Lobo: want to try out some scenes?
Lyr Lobo: now, a couple of them are larger
CDB Barkley: Can you first intro yourself and what this is?
Lyr Lobo: so I sometimes move the rug to accommodate it for everyone
Lyr Lobo: sure, CDB
Lyr Lobo: I'm Lyr Lobo from Colorado Technical University... this is the Paradise blanket, a commercial tool for rezzing temporary spaces
Lyr Lobo: I teach doctoral, graduate, undergraduate, and faculty classes, both online and in world
Lyr Lobo laughs
Lyr Lobo: I teach doctoral, graduate, undergraduate, and faculty classes, both online and in world
Paradise Blanket: This blanket is now locked. Only the Owner may use it. Pay to use is now disabled
Lyr Lobo: I locked down the blanket for a moment
Lyr Lobo: so I don't get ejected *chuckles*
Lyr Lobo: still, I want you to be able to see how it works firsthand
Lyr Lobo: hehe
Lyr Lobo: I saw this concept
Lyr Lobo: and realized that the beauty of this world
Lyr Lobo: is that it can change rapidly
Lyr Lobo: and leverage a lot of different capabilities...all at once
Lyr Lobo: why have physical classrooms when our learning spaces can change...to accommodate the mood or the content?
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Lyr Lobo: now, not all of these scenes are suitable for a classroom
Lyr Lobo: but the concept is intriguing
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Lyr Lobo: welcome to Greece *chuckles*
Lyr Lobo: imagine if we could add to the scenes
Lyr Lobo: develop our own content
Lyr Lobo: or have students develop content
Lyr Lobo: even store their portfolio contributoins
Lyr Lobo: and rez them when needed
Lyr Lobo: saving storage, prims and using the scenes when needed...putting them up when we are done
Lyr Lobo: What kinds of learning spaces or scenes appeal to you?
Dan Undertone: I'll jump in
MLani Montgomery: Something that reflects content.
Dan Undertone: I'm working with theatrical spaces
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Dan Undertone: different audience performer relationships
Khadijah Burali: I teach journalism, so I like the idea of being able to simulate breaking news situations.
Enjay Ellison: something that makes students think out of the box
Paradise Blanket: Please be seated on the blanket.
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CDB Barkley: Natural landscapes
Paradise Blanket: Please be seated on the blanket.
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Loretta Lobo: landscape architecture desgin
Corwin Carillon: folks just to let you know I'm gonna record this and hope that is ok with everyone
Khadijah Burali: That's great
Enjay Ellison: fine
Professor Beliveau: k
Lyr Lobo: *smiles* that's fine, Corwin..thanks!
Corwin Carillon: we will post the transcript on the wiki
Paradise Blanket: You have arrived at 300.000000M
Lyr Lobo: now, I'd do that water a bit differently
Lyr Lobo chuckles
Lyr Lobo: always a critic in every crowd, eh?
Lyr Lobo: but this idea intrigues me
Shadow, Lyr's Assistant: In the event that the self destruct sequence is activated, contact Lyr Lobo.
Lyr Lobo: if you do not have a flight feather, feel welcome to click my assistant for one
Shadow, Lyr's Assistant: Thank you!
Beatnik Sage: what does it do?
Lyr Lobo: it allows you to fly above the flight plane and hover at higher elevations
Lyr Lobo: just wear it..it is on the notecard she hands out
Flight Band: All Go
Flight Band: All Go
Khadijah Burali: Where is Shadow?
Shadow, Lyr's Assistant: Malfunction. Need input!
X-Flight, Carbon Rod X SLOWER SPEED: All Go
X-Flight, Carbon Rod X SLOWER SPEED: All Go
Lyr Lobo: Hello Porterhouse *smiles* Ivanka
Lyr Lobo: right behind me
Lyr Lobo: she is always behind me, facing me...folllowing
CDB Barkley: Is there a specific name for this device?
Khadijah Burali: Thanks
Lyr Lobo smiles
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Lyr Lobo: you are most welcome
Lyr Lobo: now, with a class, we often do not have more than 10 in world at a time... tho some of my classes have 20
Corwin Carillon: woah crowded!
Lyr Lobo: these scenes are smaller sized
Corwin Carillon: :)
Lyr Lobo: hehe yes
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Aaron Kembla: do you change environment to set mood or to suit activities?
Lyr Lobo: yes
Lyr Lobo: hehehe
Lyr Lobo: I do both
Lyr Lobo: so far, I have used this for small group class activities... or for virtual office hours
MLani Montgomery: Does it matter where you rez the blanket for these uses?
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Corwin Carillon: Lyr have you had students create scenes?
Lyr Lobo: and one is suitable for a scene
Lyr Lobo: one is working on a HUD
Lyr Lobo: I have had a couple working on projects
Lyr Lobo: hmm, chat lag...my responses are sometimes out of order...sorry
Khadijah Burali: how would you compare the students' participation in this space to their participation in an online chat or discussion group?
Lyr Lobo: hmm it is richer...more immersive
Winston Sinclair: can you say more about what you mean by that?
Enjay Ellison: are they more invested in learning?
Lyr Lobo: we can accomplish in an hour here what we would discuss in lecture or the lab in a few hours
Lyr Lobo: yes
Lyr Lobo: they do not come into my sessions for more than an hour or two
Lyr Lobo: by then, they are exhausted,a nd have a finished product
Lyr Lobo chuckles
Corwin Carillon: hehe
Lyr Lobo: I pattern my sessions after the one hour classes given in world
Lyr Lobo: then have them experiment and design at a slower pace
Lyr Lobo: on their own
Aaron Kembla: can you give us an example of a product they would create3?
Lyr Lobo: hmm...
Corwin Carillon: I feel exhausted with all the scence changes ;-)
Lyr Lobo: yup it is information overload, Corwin
Paradise Blanket: Please be seated on the blanket.
Khadijah Burali: Do you find that this approach works better with some kinds of course content than others?
Lyr Lobo: so we introduce, create then take a leisurely pace
Lyr Lobo: so they can explore
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CDB Barkley: What are the limits?
Lyr Lobo: hmm, so far, I've taught Game Design, Usability and Interaction, Software Requirements engineering..and Software Testing in here
CDB Barkley: avs, size?
MLani Montgomery: I've used Paradise Blankets, but I always use modules others have created. Is there a tutorial on how to create your own modules?
Lyr Lobo: but I could teach my Faculty course in here, too..on how to teach online
Lyr Lobo: no there isn't, MLani
Lyr Lobo: we tested making 20x20 scenes...and 30x30 scenes
MLani Montgomery: How can we learn how to do it? Is there a class?
Lyr Lobo: larger than 30x30 and they are hard to link
Lyr Lobo: due to distance from the extremities
CDB Barkley: What goes into a module?
Lyr Lobo: you can still rez them
Lyr Lobo: you collect all of a scene into one object
Lyr Lobo: thta goes into the inventory/contents of the blanket
Lyr Lobo: and is called by the menu
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MLani Montgomery: Where do you do this creation?
Enjay Ellison: and where do you get the blanket?
Lyr Lobo: you can create a scene in any sandbox or location
Corwin Carillon: the courtyard community
Lyr Lobo: then select all of its pieces and link, or select the linked parts and take it as one item
Lyr Lobo: rename it
MLani Montgomery: Then link the components and put it into one box? Then put the box into the contents of the blanket?
Lyr Lobo: then call that name with the menu for the device that rezzes it
Lyr Lobo: yes
Lyr Lobo: i don't box mine
Lyr Lobo: but the builders' buddy can box it
Lyr Lobo: a rezzing tool that is open source
MLani Montgomery: Just link and rename? that will allow you to take it into your inventory and load it into the blanket's contents?
Lyr Lobo: see, if you highlight and select all of the objects
Lyr Lobo: they are stored in a single object
CDB Barkley: Can it remember the state of a scene?
MLani Montgomery: cool
Lyr Lobo: the trick is to rez them as one item, correctly oriented...
CDB Barkley: e.g., if one were to re-arrange things?
Lyr Lobo: you can rearrange them before collecting/taking and rezzing
Lyr Lobo: or after rezzing, CDB
CDB Barkley: Or to say, save the planets in a partuclar arrangement?
MLani Montgomery: CDB?
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MLani Montgomery: Do you have to buy a blanket, or is the software open source?
Corwin Carillon: CDB = CDB Barkley Mlani
Lyr Lobo: if you use this system, you buy the blanket
MLani Montgomery: Are there other systems?
Lyr Lobo: we are making our own system, as is the NMC
Enjay Ellison: where can we buy it?
Lyr Lobo: hmm, this is from the Courtyard...
Enjay Ellison: ty
MLani Montgomery: How can we get the NMC system?
Lyr Lobo: I can provide that landmark later *grins* but these scenes may not be everything that you desire
Lyr Lobo: it is in development and will undergo testing soon, I do believe...I don't want to steal their thunder *smiles*
Enjay Ellison: but if you have the blanket can you restock with your own scenes?
CDB Barkley: The NMC is building this functionality into our new campus expansion, by end of the year
Lyr Lobo: it will be very exciting
Paradise Blanket: This blanket is now open for public use
CDB Barkley: A focus less on building static structures, but an environment more like an empty space that can be rezzed with what is needed for a particular need
Lyr Lobo: I made the blanket public
Lyr Lobo: please keep the elevation at 300 meters
Lyr Lobo: *chuckles*
Lyr Lobo: if you would like to try it out, feel welcome
CDB Barkley: The metaphor is a showbox diorama
Lyr Lobo: at 300 meters, we stay here
Lyr Lobo: yes, CDB...
CDB Barkley: shoebox
Paradise Blanket: Please be seated on the blanket.
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Lyr Lobo: who would like to try it out? *smiles*
Lyr Lobo: if so, let me know and touch the blanket...
Lyr Lobo: select 300 meters
Corwin Carillon: if you want the landmark for the courtyard where they sell the blanket, click on the wooden box near me
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Corwin Carillon: LOL
Lyr Lobo: it is not cheap, so do not feel tied to this single tool
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Nelg Ariel: Hi folks
Lyr Lobo: if people are interested, we'll get our prototype working so you can add scenes and find new uses for it
Enjay Ellison: Lyr, once you have a Paradise blanket can you load your own scenes?
Lyr Lobo: Hi Nelg
Corwin Carillon: *smiles* v true Lyr
Nelg Ariel: hi Lyr
Lyr Lobo: I don't think so, Enjay
Lyr Lobo: I think that you use their scenes, but I could be wrong
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Enjay Ellison: in that case please get your prototype working! lol
Lyr Lobo: I have not tried it...as the device is no modify, and comes with a module script...for updates
Lyr Lobo: *laughs*
Pbear Petit: takes some getting used to .
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Lyr Lobo: the question also is, what features would you want to see
Lyr Lobo: on the basic menu
Beatnik Sage: with something like this though... why would anyone have any static scenes?
Lyr Lobo: for our needs as educators or as presenters?
Enjay Ellison: the ability to customize
Corwin Carillon: hmmm
Lyr Lobo: My point exactly, Beatnik
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Enjay Ellison: so that students could build, revise, keep, discard...
Lyr Lobo: static scenes are great for creating identity
MLani Montgomery: Can you change things around once the skybox has been rezzed--during class?
Lyr Lobo: such as a campus identity
Corwin Carillon: not too sure I want the scenes
Lyr Lobo: yes MLani
Nolligan Nino: is information about this product available online ?
Lyr Lobo: you can add to it
Lyr Lobo: for these commercial ones
Lyr Lobo: if you make your own, you can modify at will
MLani Montgomery: How do you make your own?
Lyr Lobo: as whatever you have can either be taken into inventory
Lyr Lobo: or deleted
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Lyr Lobo: ann you build, Mlani, and link the build, then take it into your inventory
Lyr Lobo: then drop it into the blanket's inventory
Lyr Lobo: (contents tab)
Corwin Carillon: if the students create scenes as projects, it would be useful for project presentations
Beatnik Sage: I'd still keep the main campus as a module.. even if you only change it for a big stadium type event twice a year
MLani Montgomery: I mean, can you make your own blanket with the software?
Lyr Lobo: I can describe that process in greater detail later
Lyr Lobo: yes MLani
MLani Montgomery: Where can we find out how to make our own blankets?
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Lyr Lobo: We just went ot 500 meters *smiles*
Lyr Lobo: yes, MLani, you could create copies of the blanket
Lyr Lobo: and store different scenes in them
Lyr Lobo: this one currently has about 26 scenes on it
Lyr Lobo: I could add more
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Loretta Lobo: wheeee!
Lyr Lobo chuckles
Loretta Lobo: not sure what is going on exactly-but it IS fun
CDB Barkley: So if you could create any learning space with this tool, what would it be?
Corwin Carillon: ideas everyone?
CDB Barkley: It begs the question about the importance of building lavish SL builds?
MLani Montgomery: So if I have a blanket already, I can make copies of it? Or do I need to make one from scratch?
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Nolligan Nino: historical scenes
MLani Montgomery: Oooo, Historical scenes!
Beatnik Sage: maybe the same spot geographically that is going through time
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Lyr Lobo: yes
MLani Montgomery: Time Machine!
Lyr Lobo: historical scenes
Lyr Lobo: places..
CDB Barkley: Spaces we cannot visit easily?
CDB Barkley: Like planets?
Lyr Lobo: seasons...moods, environments... extra dimensional spaces
Beatnik Sage: other planetary surfaces
Nolligan Nino: we can't visit the past easily - lol
Enjay Ellison: role playing scenes; for example you could train students in rl business practices
MLani Montgomery: Models of internal organs for anatomy study.
Shadow, Lyr's Assistant: Thank you!
Beatnik Sage: microscopic environments
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CDB Barkley: Scenes that chaneg in response to actions?
Enjay Ellison: such as dealing with a client who is a real pain
Khadijah Burali: That would be useful
Lyr Lobo: hm, that would be really cool, CDB
Lyr Lobo: i locked down the blanket for a moment *grins*
Beatnik Sage: molecular levels
Lyr Lobo: and yes, based on events, touches, or triggers
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Lyr Lobo: you could have changing scenes
Khadijah Burali: I could also see using something like this to have students practice interviewing people.
Enjay Ellison: I teach communication design in rl, so it would be useful for portfolio presentations
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Lyr Lobo: yes, organizational behavior and social networks
Beatnik Sage: circuit boards
Corwin Carillon: yep!
Tab Scott: Architectural scenes
Lyr Lobo grins
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CDB Barkley: Do people get trapped into things rezzed on top of them?
Lyr Lobo: definitely
Lyr Lobo: hehe
Lyr Lobo: if you get trapped, easy to get you out
MLani Montgomery: Yes, you just choose to sit elsewhere, and you get out.
Corwin Carillon: yep .. I did lol
Lyr Lobo: Welcome to those who are just joining us *smiles*
Lyr Lobo: this saloon includes games and dances, I think....
Driftgirl Foulon: thanks
Montserrat Augustus: thank you, Lyr for the teleport
Paradise Group Land Radio Interface: Deed me to Group!
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Lyr Lobo: I feel a little like the magic school bus
Dance 1: Nola Latynina, say '/1 Hide' to hide me, or '/1 Show' to make me show. Or just right-click and sit on me to use me.
Lyr Lobo: you are most welcome, Montserrat
Pbear Petit: /wave
Lyr Lobo: this scene has a working turntable
Lyr Lobo: for changing the music
Object: Ivanka Broadway, say '/1 Hide' to hide me, or '/1 Show' to make me show. Or just right-click and sit on me to use me.
Lyr Lobo: some scenese have working props and activiites
Corwin Carillon: hiya Kisa!
Kisa Naumova: Hey :)
Kim Chihuly: nice way to introduce students to a variety of places in SL without having to teleport and worry about lag on someone else's property
Paradise Blanket: Please be seated on the blanket.
Beatnik Sage: I wonder if you could setup different musical venues that reflect different aucoustic feedback
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Lyr Lobo: yes
Lyr Lobo: what kind of differences, Beatnik?
Beatnik Sage: like the difference between playing the cello in yoru garage or at carnigie hall
Lyr Lobo: ahh *grins* yes
Lyr Lobo: hmm, sound variances like the one you mentioned might be work initially
Lyr Lobo: we scripted the pianos down below using local sound
Lyr Lobo: otherwise, you use streaming media
Beatnik Sage: try playing an original composition at Abbey Hell
Beatnik Sage: Hall
Lyr's Jukebox from Haven: Station changed to: Classical contemporary
Paradise Blanket: You have arrived at 300.000000M
Lyr Lobo chuckles
Lyr Lobo: pardon me for hiding the poses... no sleeping on the job! *chuckles*
CDB Barkley: Has anyone asked the cost of the blanket?
Lyr Lobo: Other questions?
Lyr Lobo: hmm just under 10,000 lindens with all of the modules...maybe a bit more with newer additions
Lyr Lobo smiles
Lyr Lobo: configurable, controllable
CDB Barkley: Not bad! Cost of good skin ;-)
Lyr Lobo: and you can add different features...much better
Enjay Ellison: Lyr, previously you talked about putting together an archive of things to use in scenes; are you still working on that and would it be public or semi-public?
CDB Barkley: Who sells it?
Lyr Lobo: that is why I recommend growing our own
Lyr Lobo: a very good skin...*laughs* my skin was 1500
Lyr Lobo: hmm, The Courtyard...
Corwin Carillon: click on the box CDB
CDB Barkley: mine was 500
Winston Sinclair: lyr, you mentioned you've used it for office hours -- what's the benefit of SL (or the blanket) for that?
Lyr Lobo: there is a team of designers
Lyr Lobo: for the scenes
Khadijah Burali: I wonder what the experience has been with convincing college administrators to spend money on these kinds of enhancements.
Lyr Lobo: well it helps us to interact and think differently
Lyr Lobo: I like to set up my japanese meditation table with poses, invite the students to sit
Lyr Lobo: and we can build, script and talk
Lyr Lobo: while discussing their issues (individually or in groups)
Lyr Lobo: here are some samples
Lyr Lobo: since you can be seated while working...it helps everyone think differently...try them out
CDB Barkley: I am curious to hear people talk about the importance of "place" here.... versus interaction....
Lyr Lobo: just sit on the cushions
CDB Barkley: ... in regards to people who build replicas of RL places?
Lyr Lobo: well those are great for identity and recognition
Lyr Lobo: also, as Tab mentioned, for architecture studies.... and developing a common look and feel
Lyr Lobo: for a property
Lyr Lobo: that's important too...
Pbear Petit has indicated consent to be recorded.
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CDB Barkley: One of my faves
CDB Barkley: Need more tiki bars
Lyr Lobo grins
MLani Montgomery: Could one venue be an art gallery to show student works?
Lyr Lobo: hehe feel welcome to grab a beverage from the tiki
Lyr Lobo: yes, MLani
Lyr Lobo: the art featured on the wall was created by Ehdward Spengler, an artist in SL
Beatnik Sage: you'd have to link the works in first though right?
MLani Montgomery: So basically, rather than having to purchase a paradise blanket, NMC is looking to create its own build that we all could have access to?
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Khadijah Burali: That would be great!
Lyr Lobo: Yes, MLani
Lyr Lobo: I will also be making mine accessible too
Ron Bu: yes
Lyr Lobo: and helping people who wish to create learning spaces
MLani Montgomery: When will we know of its availability, and how can I help?
Enjay Ellison: wonderful
Ron Bu: hi glen
Lyr Lobo grins
Ron Bu: still having difficulty getting around
Lyr Lobo: they are beginning testing in a few days, I believe...
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MLani Montgomery: It will be announced through NMC Teacher Buzz?
Lyr Lobo: it should not be too long, but again, they have a release schedule for announcing it
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Lyr Lobo: I think so
MLani Montgomery: Is help needed in testing?
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CDB Barkley: We'll post on the NMC Campus Observer when Lyr shares
Lyr Lobo grins
CDB Barkley: http://www.nmc.org/sl/
Strawberry dipped in Melted Chocolate: Yummm! Fresh Strawberry dipped in melted chocolate
CDB Barkley: Let's have a big round of applause for Lyr for demo-ing this!
Enjay Ellison: will the NMC version have defined scenes, or will we be able to build our own to use in it?
Kim Chihuly: /clap
Enjay Ellison claps
CDB Barkley applauds liek a big
Khadijah Burali: /clap
Corwin Carillon: tyvm Lyr
CDB Barkley:
Ron Bu: clap
Enjay Ellison: thanks Lyr!
Kisa Naumova: /applaud
Beatnik Sage: /claps
CDB Barkley howls at the moon
Kim Chihuly: very cool lyr - thanks for putting it together
Jazber Paravane: Thank you Lyr.
Lyr Lobo: Thank you all for coming! *smiles*
Khadijah Burali: Yes, this has been interesting!
Lyr Lobo: please, feel welcome to keep in touch and to contact me about your interests
Lyr Lobo grins
MLani Montgomery: Can we find out about the training you do to work with your faculty about teaching distance classes?
Couch 2 F: Kooper Petrel, say '/1 Hide' to hide me, or '/1 Show' to make me show. Or just right-click and sit on me to use me.
Ron Bu: yes, more about trainging
Couch 2 F: Kooper Petrel, say '/1 Hide' to hide me, or '/1 Show' to make me show. Or just right-click and sit on me to use me.
Lyr Lobo: we could put together a training session
Tab Scott: I'd definitely like to work with you on learning spaces.
Lyr Lobo: for a future Buzz... or a separate event
Enjay Ellison: me too
Beatnik Sage: cool
Tab Scott: thanks, Lyr
Corwin Carillon: sounds great for a future buzz lyr
CDB Barkley: Thanks for coming!
Lyr Lobo: Thank you all for coming *grins*
Lyr Lobo: i'll open the blanket now
CDB Barkley: Next Buzz in 2 weeks, 6:00 PM PST
Lyr Lobo: so you can experiment
Loretta Lobo: enjoyed it- thanks
Paradise Blanket: This blanket is now open for public use
Porterhouse Dobbs: Thanks
Loretta Lobo: I appreciate it being at this time
Lyr Lobo: be sure to sit before it elevates *grins*
Khadijah Burali: Sounds good. See you then. Thanks again.
Lyr Lobo smiles
CDB Barkley: Bye now!
The meeting closed at 9:53 Linden time.
