Teachers Buzz Session 6 Transcript
From NMC-Campus
- Region: NMC Campus
- Meeting on 2006-11-13
- Transcript cleanup by: CDB Barkley
[18:08] totally Vavoom: wow! good size group tonight!
[18:08] CDB Barkley: Yes, and on short notice
[18:08] CDB Barkley: So.....
[18:08] William Pharaoh: Is this place always this crowded?
[18:08] totally Vavoom: well, how could we refuse you CDB? ;-)
[18:08] CDB Barkley: Welcome one and all
[18:08] Abdiel Merit: hey josephine
[18:08] CDB Barkley: to the NMC Campuus Teacher's Buzz!
[18:08] Johnny99 Gumshoe: thanks CDB
[18:08] Abdiel Merit: i'm taking off my jacket for totally Vavoom
[18:09] totally Vavoom: that's not supposed to sound like it does!!!
[18:09] totally Vavoom: ;-)
[18:09] CDB Barkley: Who is here for a first time visit to the Buzz?
[18:09] Johnny99 Gumshoe: maybe me?
[18:09] Kevin Galbraith: Hi Joesphine
[18:09] Abdiel Merit: First time for me
[18:09] totally Vavoom: now taht's nsaszzy Abdiel ;-)
[18:09] Dagmar Kojishi: This is my first buzz.
[18:09] Tobuh Butoh: I'm new
[18:09] totally Vavoom: hey kevin!
[18:09] SueMaeLA Escape: This is my first
[18:09] CDB Barkley: Kind of an Angus Young look, Abdiel
[18:09] Katherine Watson: hi everybody
[18:10] Abdiel Merit: heh
[18:10] Stacy Narayan: I'm also here for the first time
[18:10] Larry Pixel: i brought a guest
[18:10] Larry Pixel: Abbaca
[18:10] Kevin Galbraith: Hi totally. good to see you again
[18:10] Basic Chair: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[18:10] Abbaca Aoi: Hi all :)
[18:10] totally Vavoom: Hi Abbaca!
[18:10] Larry Pixel: she has some surprises for us later
[18:10] Lyr Lobo: welcome
[18:10] Corwin Carillon: there are more chairs here
[18:10] CDB Barkley: We try to meet here every 2 weeks....
[18:10] Corwin Carillon: where I am sitting
[18:10] Larry Pixel: and is a SL artist and entrepreneur
[18:10] CDB Barkley: For those interested in the aspects of teaching in SL
[18:10] totally Vavoom: There's one next to Prof B too I think
[18:11] Calisto Encinal: Sorry. Stepped away for a minute. I'm new.
[18:11] CDB Barkley: Sometimes we just sit around and BS about things going on in SL
[18:11] CDB Barkley: Sometime we may have a guest
[18:11] totally Vavoom: sometimes ;-)
[18:11] CDB Barkley: Sometimes we speak grammatically correctly
[18:11] CDB Barkley: Sometimes we may do a "field trips"
[18:12] Lyr Lobo: As I need to leave early to teach a class, I'll pass out a notecard with some links to my information and support a future meeting as well *smiles*
[18:12] CDB Barkley: Thanks Lyr...
[18:12] CDB Barkley: We thought we might share some of the stuff presented last week at the NMC Conference
[18:12] CDB Barkley: ... and since Lyr needs to go off and teach soon, we are letting her say anything first
[18:12] totally Vavoom: Kevin, do you have wings on/
[18:13] Corwin Carillon: so it may help if you we know who was there ...
[18:13] CDB Barkley: She had an amazing session in San Antonio
[18:13] Kevin Galbraith: not me, totally.
[18:13] totally Vavoom: thanks Lyr!
[18:13] Sariah Chihuly: hi.
[18:14] Farley Scarborough: /Thanks, Lyr
[18:14] Dagmar Kojishi: Thanks!
[18:14] CDB Barkley: So ijn two weeks, Lyr will demo for our group something she showed us last weejk
[18:15] Corwin Carillon: http://www.nmc.org/events/2006fallregional/presentation_links.shtml
[18:15] Lyr Lobo: yes *smiles*
[18:15] CDB Barkley: Can you give a quick overview, Lyr?
[18:15] Lyr Lobo: I'll discuss some of our experimental designs in SL
[18:15] Lyr Lobo: that support education
[18:15] Corwin Carillon: if you click on the globe by the fire it wll load the webpage
[18:15] Lyr Lobo: demonstrate temporary learning spaces
[18:15] In Kenzo is Online
[18:15] Lyr Lobo: and answer questions about how you can use these strategies
[18:16] Lyr Lobo: for your campuses and classes
[18:16] Lyr Lobo: essentially
[18:16] Lyr Lobo: i'm working on learning spaces that are dynamic
[18:16] Lyr Lobo: so we can hold class in different spaces...places, timezones, periods in history, etc.
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: catering to different kinds of learners and needs
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: also for General Education as well as computer science (my subject)
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: so imagine for a moment
[18:17] CDB Barkley: She is quite a serious gamer, majorly serious ;-)
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: that took your class
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: to another space
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: hehehe
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: if you could rez a scene for an hour or two
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: and after you were done
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: it would disappear
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: cleaning itself up
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: self cleaning, ever changing
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: creative learning environments
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: that were not tied to your prim limits
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: where students could move and modify the learning environment without fear
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: and with a process to save work
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: in progress
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: as it "dies" upon close of the class
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: next time you rez it
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: you get a clean copy
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: and all within 10 seconds
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: or less
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: *smiels*
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: any questions?
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: that is to start
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: my long term plan
[18:18] JJ Drinkwater: Where do I get one?
[18:19] JJ Drinkwater: :)
[18:19] Lyr Lobo: is to organize and package learning objects
[18:19] CDB Barkley: It is similar in concept to what the new NMC Campus will have as well
[18:19] Lyr Lobo: to assess their effectiveness
[18:19] Johnny99 Gumshoe: u r building thin in SL?
[18:19] Lyr Lobo: and to help you... tailor them to meet your needs
[18:19] Lyr Lobo: yes
[18:19] Lyr Lobo: we need more educational resources
[18:19] Johnny99 Gumshoe: is this the holodeck concept?
[18:19] Lyr Lobo: so our productivity increases
[18:19] Lyr Lobo: and so we can focus... like that, Johnny99
[18:19] Lyr Lobo: very similar, except, with objects that we can interact with
[18:19] Larry Pixel: Sounds like holodeck on steroids
[18:19] Sariah Chihuly: sounds like a holo deck.
[18:20] Lyr Lobo: rez scenes...rez a laboratory
[18:20] Lyr Lobo: rez... things we need
[18:20] Lyr Lobo: as well as subjects, historical settings, etc.
[18:20] CDB Barkley: Takes the emphasis from big fixed buildings
[18:20] Sariah Chihuly: would you tie it in to something like edu island? or do it from NMC?
[18:20] Larry Pixel: not that aspect we arealso building Lyr...we shoudl be sharign notes
[18:20] Lyr Lobo: my long term goal is to pioneer
[18:20] Sariah Chihuly: who would get access?
[18:20] Corwin Carillon: does it save where you got to Lyr?
[18:20] Corwin Carillon: you = student
[18:20] Lyr Lobo: a new way of looking at our learning activities and how we assess their effectiveness
[18:20] CDB Barkley: Like saving the states?
[18:20] Lyr Lobo: the scenes are saved, Corwin
[18:20] There is no suitable surface to sit on, try another spot.
[18:20] Corwin Carillon: cool
[18:21] Lyr Lobo: and the work within it, can also be saved
[18:21] totally Vavoom: awesome!
[18:21] Larry Pixel: reuseable
[18:21] Lyr Lobo: you would decide, Sariah
[18:21] Lyr Lobo: right now, the commercial version that i am using as prototype has a public and private mode...
[18:21] Lyr Lobo: but my goals
[18:21] totally Vavoom: so ina way the environment is moled to wahtever form will support the learning that will take place there?
[18:21] Sariah Chihuly: so I could link to it from where I am with my students and we'd just transport in?
[18:21] Lyr Lobo: include making a very different version
[18:21] Lyr Lobo: yes Totally
[18:22] Lyr Lobo: your subject, your learning activities
[18:22] Sariah Chihuly: what about doing it in different languages?
[18:22] Lyr Lobo: roleplaying..case study analysis
[18:22] Lyr Lobo: or just a new setting
[18:22] Lyr Lobo: yes, Sariah..it is possible
[18:22] Lyr Lobo: that means collaboration with people who speak those languages *smiles*
[18:22] Lyr Lobo: and need it
[18:22] Lyr Lobo: this concept I am opening up to collaborate with schools
[18:22] CDB Barkley: Well, show up on 11/27 and you'll get the full demo
[18:22] totally Vavoom: that would be great... the chair of our languages department, who teches Chinese, is very inerested in SL at the moment
[18:22] Sariah Chihuly: wow. I just came from a discussion of how SL is different from a chat room, wish I had you with me there.
[18:22] Abdiel Merit: I'd like my students to create these worlds and "hand them in" for evaluation
[18:22] Lyr Lobo: so we can come up with a variety of solutions
[18:22] Johnny99 Gumshoe is Offline
[18:22] Lyr Lobo: *smiles*
[18:22] CDB Barkley: Has anyone had luck with the universal language translator?
[18:23] Corwin Carillon: which one CDB?
[18:23] Sariah Chihuly: nope, I don't think we will either.
[18:23] Janor Slichter: a portfolio for work in SL, then
[18:23] Calisto Encinal: I'm in foreign language and want to build a virtual Mexican village. I would interact w/students. Virtual study abroad.
[18:23] Josephine Finn: I like the idea of students creating their own learning environments as well--whether they do it for evaluation or not.
[18:23] CDB Barkley: I played with the one from the SLED listserv
[18:23] Abdiel Merit: An SL experiential portfolio
[18:23] Sariah Chihuly: but I did have an idea -- many of us (not me unfortunately) work in institutions with graduate language programs.
[18:23] Sariah Chihuly: what about creating some workstudy translation gigs?
[18:23] Heidi TeeCee is Online
[18:24] Enjay Ellison: Lyr, to what extent would these be pre-fab as oppposed to generated by students? is it completely variable?
[18:24] Josephine Finn: particularly given all the media they can incorporate
[18:24] Lyr Lobo: great idea... hmmm
[18:24] Lyr Lobo: Enjay, having student designs is better still
[18:24] Lyr Lobo: my plan is to have some beginning ones
[18:24] Lyr Lobo: then to stimulate their projects and designs
[18:24] Sariah Chihuly: having students research period details would add to the fun.
[18:24] Lyr Lobo: student centered design reminds m eof the Ancient Spaces project by Seb's first year ancient civilization and greek students
[18:24] Sariah Chihuly: but you would need to get some very techie students.
[18:25] totally Vavoom: what kind of learning curve would there be Lyr?
[18:25] Lyr Lobo: they are doing it with less technical students, but that is a good point, Sariah...
[18:25] Enjay Ellison: depends on what they need to build
[18:25] Lyr Lobo: i can have my students productive in a very short timeframe, Totally
[18:25] Josephine Finn: well, and think about the multi media aspect of this--more on the fly than creating "learning objects" that are dependent on databases and/or programs.
[18:25] Corwin Carillon: could you mix students ...
[18:25] Sariah Chihuly: well I am just thinking that if you wnat someone to come in costume...
[18:25] Lyr Lobo: mostly because there are some basic skills that one can learn quickly
[18:25] totally Vavoom: and not all student may be interested or have the aptitude to build
[18:25] Corwin Carillon: COMP as builders, history sts as designers
[18:25] Lyr Lobo: hardest part is in envisioning and planning
[18:25] Sariah Chihuly: you would either need a great prop room or very skilled students.
[18:25] Johnny99 Gumshoe is Online
[18:25] Lyr Lobo: yes
[18:26] Abdiel Merit: Sure, the project could involve a team
[18:26] Lyr Lobo: i've been collecting costumes, props, and making things like mad
[18:26] Enjay Ellison: a collective prop room!
[18:26] Lyr Lobo: about 30,000 things and textures at the moment
[18:26] Sariah Chihuly: learning communities.
[18:26] Abdiel Merit: and it would be really cool to have the build-out occur over many semesters
[18:26] Lyr Lobo: yes
[18:26] totally Vavoom: the team aspect would make it more fun, and also tech them to work in teams ;-)
[18:26] Josephine Finn: definitely the skill needs to be there....but they already had skills in other places, how hard is building in SL anyway?
[18:26] CDB Barkley: Sigh, my inventory is a mess
[18:26] Sariah Chihuly: prop room sounds amazing.
[18:26] Lyr Lobo: I am going to set up a center for making these scenes and modules...
[18:26] Abdiel Merit: a course could extend itself over many semesters
[18:26] CDB Barkley: and no where near 30,000
[18:26] totally Vavoom: can't build to save my life!
[18:26] Lyr Lobo: well I've been building robots and a variety of devices
[18:26] CDB Barkley: How about some of the other San Antonio presenters here.... Abdiel?
[18:26] Lyr Lobo: to learn specific skills
[18:27] Sariah Chihuly: what about a wish list, too? that way we could all contribute if we found anything.
[18:27] totally Vavoom: CDB, sounds like our inventories are in the same state ;-)
[18:27] Abdiel Merit: Yes, Dean Barkley?
[18:27] Sariah Chihuly: also sounds like you need a good librarian to organize the props.
[18:27] Lyr Lobo: thank you all *waves* I must dash to teach a class, but please, IM me... *smiles*
[18:27] Enjay Ellison: thanks Lyr!
[18:27] CDB Barkley: Abdiel had an excellent session on "The Allegory effect"
[18:27] Abdiel Merit: Thanks, Lyr!
[18:27] Professor Beliveau: thanks lyr
[18:27] Corwin Carillon: thx lyr
[18:27] Isa Goodman: cu Lyr
[18:27] Calisto Encinal: Bye
[18:27] Johnny99 Gumshoe: thanks Lyr!
[18:27] Abdiel Merit: *blush
[18:27] totally Vavoom: bye Lyr!
[18:27] Boris Grommet: Thanks, Lyr!
[18:27] Sariah Chihuly: thanks.
[18:27] Larry Pixel: talk soon Lyr!
[18:27] CDB Barkley: Had some great quotes on the way Sl and RL co-exist
[18:27] Stacy Narayan: That was amazing, thank you
[18:28] Abdiel Merit: I just tried to send you my PPT, CDB, but it was too big to email
[18:28] Lyr Lobo smiles and waves
[18:28] CDB Barkley: Okay, I'll message you later and set up an FTP
[18:28] Dagmar Kojishi: Abdiel, use http://mailbigfiles.com/. It's free.
[18:28] CDB Barkley: Maybe gmail?
[18:28] Abdiel Merit: I'm really interested in the way RL and SL map onto each other
[18:28] Abdiel Merit: Ah, bigfiles and gmail--good call
[18:29] Abdiel Merit: I like the idea of oblique strategies
[18:29] Abdiel Merit: cf. Brian Eno
[18:29] In Kenzo is Offline
[18:29] totally Vavoom: Hey Heidi!
[18:29] Abdiel Merit: and I think metaphor is an exercise in the unexpected
[18:29] Abdiel Merit: and my other favorite wiggy thing to say
[18:29] CDB Barkley: Some audio form his session: http://media.nmc.org/2006/11/allegory-effect.mp3
[18:30] Lyr Lobo is Offline
[18:30] Abdiel Merit: is that "averted vision is the sharpest vision"
[18:30] Abdiel Merit: Astronomers train themselves to look out of the corners of their eyes to spot faint stars
[18:30] Abdiel Merit: because we're really blind in the center of our visual fields
[18:30] Heidi TeeCee: I'll try
[18:31] Abdiel Merit: Something about SL makes me have that "corner of the eye" feeling
[18:31] CDB Barkley: "Primary paradox of SL is that a person operates with a real meaning in an alienated situation"
[18:31] Josephine Finn: i hear ghosts exist in the peripheral vision
[18:31] Abdiel Merit: which I also get from poetry and metaphor genreally
[18:31] Abdiel Merit: heh
[18:31] Abdiel Merit: there you go again!
[18:31] Kevin Galbraith: :)
[18:31] totally Vavoom: lol!
[18:31] Abdiel Merit: Somethign uncanny here
[18:32] Abdiel Merit: we are all apparitions to each other in this space
[18:32] totally Vavoom: are you seeing ghosts abdiel;-)?
[18:32] Larry Pixel: So we spent three days with pathfinder athte confernece in San Antonio
[18:32] Abdiel Merit: real meanings in an alienated space
[18:32] Larry Pixel: he reports that Linden is working hard
[18:32] totally Vavoom: the thing is, how long does it feel/stay alienated/
[18:32] Abdiel Merit: good question
[18:32] totally Vavoom: Does it, at some point bcome real, as the real space becomes alienated?
[18:32] Abdiel Merit: literature has never lost that quality for me
[18:32] Abdiel Merit: I don't think SL would either
[18:33] Larry Pixel: and there will be some interesting annoucnements soon that we can all look forward to
[18:33] Abdiel Merit: or art, or music
[18:33] CDB Barkley: Does alienation lose meaning?
[18:33] CDB Barkley: ...as hings blur?
[18:33] Abdiel Merit: No, I think it unleashes meaning
[18:33] Isa Goodman: listening with intent Larry
[18:33] Larry Pixel: they contineu to look at voice as a feature
[18:33] Abdiel Merit: It's a "defamiliarization" effect
[18:33] Abdiel Merit: but yes, too much can make you dizzy :)
[18:33] Sariah Chihuly: where do you find alienation in SL learning environments?
[18:33] Isa Goodman: Sweet
[18:33] Larry Pixel: and education can continue to expect islands to cost just $1000
[18:34] Abdiel Merit: Just the plain fact of being here with a bunch of articulate animatins
[18:34] totally Vavoom: or as you become immersed in the object? Be it a piece of music, or art, or an immersive environment/
[18:34] Abdiel Merit: animations
[18:34] Stacy Narayan: Yes Larry, please continue
[18:34] Larry Pixel: they are working to make the land store work for us as it does for non-education buyers
[18:34] Kevin Galbraith: That would be nice, Larry.
[18:35] Sariah Chihuly: That would be good, although we should be careful about chaos.
[18:35] totally Vavoom: i think i like being called an "articulate animation" ;-)
[18:35] Larry Pixel: he gave a very nice keynote on the ways peopel are using SL for educaiton
[18:35] Stacy Narayan: Are poddcasts or other artifacts of the meeting available?
[18:35] Larry Pixel: not a whole lot of new in there, but it is clear that he is paying very cliose attention to what all of us are doing
[18:35] Sariah Chihuly: I think they get a lot of good pr from education happening here.
[18:36] Larry Pixel: thry do indeed, and I think they want to help us be successful
[18:36] Sariah Chihuly: sure beats some of the other publicity they get around salacious issues.
[18:36] totally Vavoom: true
[18:36] Calisto Encinal: The education side balances the other.
[18:36] Larry Pixel: they are workign hard on support issues and call centers
[18:36] Johnny99 Gumshoe: any word on SL going open source?
[18:36] CDB Barkley: Stacy- presentations are being added http://www.nmc.org/events/2006fallregional/presentation_links.shtml
[18:36] Larry Pixel: and much of the issues with the grid are due to the fac that they now have a data cente rin Dallas as well as one in SF
[18:36] CDB Barkley: We are still collecting them
[18:36] Sariah Chihuly: those are important -- especially for my students, who may not be as advanced as those at some of the big u's.
[18:37] CDB Barkley: We will have podcast audio form all keynotes
[18:37] Larry Pixel: IBM announced a partnership with an open-source competitor and will announce a $50 million investment in virstual worlds tomorrow
[18:38] Isa Goodman: Interesting
[18:38] Sariah Chihuly: I can't see the globe that Lyr mentioned -- and I've been looking.
[18:38] Heidi TeeCee: really ... oh my
[18:38] Larry Pixel: http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2006/11/09/ibm-accelerates-push-into-3d-virtual-worlds/
[18:38] Sariah Chihuly: Yikes, is that with metaverse?
[18:38] Sariah Chihuly: that could really heat things up.
[18:39] CDB Barkley: Professor, how about your session at San Antonio?
[18:39] CDB Barkley: or Heidi?
[18:39] Johnny99 Gumshoe: ah the smell of panic.... ibm
[18:39] Professor Beliveau: I was impressed with how interestedpeople are in getting involved . . . teachers with hopes and plans
[18:39] Larry Pixel: hehhe
[18:39] CDB Barkley: Can you really buy what is here?
[18:39] Heidi TeeCee: I'm sorry CDB ... checking out that news article
[18:39] Larry Pixel: see uni-verse.org
[18:40] Sariah Chihuly: but it looks like their own thing is just an intranet?
[18:40] Professor Beliveau: but I hear a lot of folks talk of impediments
[18:40] Professor Beliveau: entry into SL is NOT easy
[18:40] Professor Beliveau: Note intuitive
[18:40] Heidi TeeCee: CDB ... what were you referring to?
[18:40] Larry Pixel: they plan to help companies build both intra and external virtual sites
[18:40] Professor Beliveau: LL really needs to clean up the entry process
[18:40] Chianti Carmichael: here here. steep learning curve.
[18:40] Sariah Chihuly: hmmm. but open source?
[18:40] Sariah Chihuly: or will this be another private thing?
[18:41] Professor Beliveau: noobs get dumped into a VERY disorienting place
[18:41] Johnny99 Gumshoe: we should have an OSS platform to deploy our own servers
[18:41] Larry Pixel: One of the things I spoke with Pathfinder about was creating our own orientation area here
[18:41] Professor Beliveau: causes them to dump out of orientation/help islands too fast
[18:41] Larry Pixel: I thinkwe will be able to do that
[18:41] Professor Beliveau: no one but other noobs bouncing off each other
[18:41] Kevin Galbraith: That would be great, larry.
[18:41] Sariah Chihuly: It would be good to have an educational orientation site.
[18:41] Larry Pixel: wouldn;t it
[18:41] Professor Beliveau: SO new teachers, getting in, mention the learning curve
[18:41] Stacy Narayan: That would be a breakthrough
[18:41] Heidi TeeCee: I think that is a great idea Larry ....
[18:41] Larry Pixel: yes
[18:42] Enjay Ellison: Larry, is there any talk by LL of an education grid?
[18:42] Larry Pixel: so what shall we teach them when they ge there?
[18:42] Larry Pixel: get hwere
[18:42] Larry Pixel: here
[18:42] Larry Pixel: hehhe
[18:42] Sariah Chihuly: heh.
[18:42] Larry Pixel: darn
[18:42] Espresso machine : gives a cup to Josephine Finn
[18:42] Professor Beliveau: I don't care as much about a grid as a deivision in LL
[18:42] Sariah Chihuly: yup, for one thing, teach them how to say lol and heh.
[18:42] Johnny99 Gumshoe: who is working on the literacy part to help people combat the addictive dimensions?
[18:42] Professor Beliveau: LL needs an EDU division... not just a person or two
[18:43] Chianti Carmichael: basics, even just how to read
[18:43] Abdiel Merit: Not just notecards and HUDS
[18:43] Sariah Chihuly: and I also don't think a grid is necessary, in fact, some of the value would be lost if you don't have the world to explore.
[18:43] Abdiel Merit: A vote here for making the orientation intensely social
[18:43] Heidi TeeCee: an education grid is an interesting thought
[18:43] Enjay Ellison: have you looked at the available jobs recently? they need everything :)
[18:43] Abdiel Merit: I agree--we need the whole world
[18:43] Sariah Chihuly: having a prop room would be good, having avatar dressing lessons would be good so folks don't have bald spots.
[18:43] CDB Barkley: When do you stop subdividing the world into grids?
[18:43] CDB Barkley: Left hander grids?
[18:43] Johnny99 Gumshoe: people need tools to help interpret how and why they deive pleasure here
[18:43] Abdiel Merit: My best learning in SL has always been in social contexts
[18:43] Kim Chihuly: and some not slutty clothes for the girls - that was a big problem for my students
[18:44] CDB Barkley: Senior Citizen grids?
[18:44] Sariah Chihuly: I think having some mentors would be a good idea, like the general sl ones, but more focused on educational things.
[18:44] Chianti Carmichael: Should be a very simple environment. Not too demanding on video cards.
[18:44] Abdiel Merit: Mentors are a good idea
[18:44] totally Vavoom: mentors came up before, and it really helps
[18:44] Abdiel Merit: A SL buddy system
[18:45] Chianti Carmichael: Some bail because their system is just too slow, which makes learning hard.
[18:45] Larry Pixel: IBM is advocating one giant virtal grid, the 3D equivalent of the internet
[18:45] Heidi TeeCee: yes ... we have talked about mentors before ... great idea
[18:45] Sariah Chihuly: also, having a library of free discussion areas with chairs and stuff where we could just take it and go back to our islands ...
[18:45] totally Vavoom: I took a newbie instructional tech shopping today and it made all the difference to her experience
[18:45] Johnny99 Gumshoe: no one has a problem introducing a medium in school that will be problematic for a percentage of the population?
[18:45] Larry Pixel: but with a browser-based client
[18:45] Carbonel Tigereye: Not sure if this has already been discussed, but are we, as educators, prepared for the inevitable backlash to "adult content" in SL?
[18:45] Abdiel Merit: what isn't problematic for a percentage of students
[18:45] Stacy Narayan: Just like everything important in life, we learn from each other
[18:45] Abdiel Merit: I think we make a mistake by aiming for a uniform experience
[18:46] Kim Chihuly: mentors might be a job the students could aspire to - better than working as a club bouncer
[18:46] Professor Beliveau: Johnny... our students do a lot of stuff they shouldn't do
[18:46] CDB Barkley: really? there is adult content here? ;-)
[18:46] Larry Pixel: lol
[18:46] Chianti Carmichael: lol
[18:46] Carbonel Tigereye must have been mistaken about the adult content.
[18:46] Professor Beliveau: SL gives them a virtual environment that isn't about killing
[18:46] Carbonel Tigereye: :)
[18:46] Abdiel Merit: Blackboard is a lowest common denominator
[18:46] ScubaChris Wollongong is Online
[18:46] Professor Beliveau: slutty dresses maybe
[18:46] Abdiel Merit: and I regret its dominance
[18:46] Sariah Chihuly: I don't know , if our students are adults, then are we as rl educators prepared for the backlash because there is a porn store in town?
[18:46] Johnny99 Gumshoe: not a reason not to address it... embed it into the environment
[18:46] CDB Barkley: rock bottom
[18:46] Professor Beliveau: but no killing
[18:46] Professor Beliveau: and lots of learning.
[18:46] Sariah Chihuly: not to be snarky, but we can't be held responsible for that.
[18:46] Chianti Carmichael: Adult content: These are where lessons about personal choice begin.
[18:47] Carbonel Tigereye: I don't think that is snarky, Sariah.
[18:47] Larry Pixel: So in a bit, when we break up, I have a demo of some new tools to share
[18:47] Carbonel Tigereye: I'm wondering about uptight administrators putting brakes on our ability to experiment.
[18:47] Kim Chihuly: i like that there are areas where they can staget battles - it's an environment that recognize, gets them into the game, and then we can do other more eudcational stuff
[18:47] Larry Pixel: the issue of real time video has been solved
[18:47] Chianti Carmichael: uptight, and uninformed.
[18:47] Carbonel Tigereye thinks the Deleting Online Predators Act is a great example of this.
[18:47] You have offered friendship to Carbonel Tigereye
[18:48] Sariah Chihuly: yes, there will be some of that, but there is always some of that. we have admin opposed to myspace.
[18:48] Sariah Chihuly: with some good reasons, too, just not good enough in my book.
[18:48] Chianti Carmichael: ::nod::
[18:48] Larry Pixel: we can now start and stop video, and change videos on demand, and everyone in the area can experience it in real time
[18:48] Calisto Encinal: Can students be teleported right to a "safe" area for class?
[18:48] Kim Chihuly: cool feature larry
[18:48] Carbonel Tigereye: OK.... I don't want to derail the discussion. Just wanted to toss it out there as something to think about in the long term.
[18:48] totally Vavoom: hey adri!
[18:48] Sariah Chihuly: you mean can we keep all outsiders out?
[18:49] Larry Pixel: you can if you want to be all by yoru self
[18:49] Kim Chihuly: calisto - can you make a slurl for hte area you want them to go to?
[18:49] Sariah Chihuly: probably, but I would rather keep it open and keep it a learning/teaching moment thing.
[18:49] Larry Pixel: it is easy
[18:49] Abdiel Merit is Offline
[18:49] Stacy Narayan: CDC has a presence here, and uses the adult content here as starting points to discuss rehearsed behaviors,
[18:49] Janor Slichter: Calisto, log in to a safe area, yes
[18:49] Larry Pixel: jut keep your island priovate and only let popel in the group by invitation
[18:49] Stacy Narayan: choices, etc
[18:49] Sariah Chihuly: in fact, I think NMC has something like that going on.
[18:49] Sariah Chihuly: if you aren't a member you end up in a moat?
[18:49] CDB Barkley: No, NMC is not private
[18:50] Larry Pixel: it is quasi-private
[18:50] Calisto Encinal: I would just want them to "jump" over the other stuff. They can explore that on their own time.
[18:50] Abdiel Merit is Online
[18:50] Calisto Encinal: Slurl would work.
[18:51] Calisto Encinal: Our campus has the Internet, but while they are in class, I monitor them not surfing to adult areas.
[18:51] Calisto Encinal: Same thing, no?
[18:51] Sariah Chihuly: yes, same thing, although with online/distance learners not so easy.
[18:51] Carbonel Tigereye: Logically, yes, Calisto.
[18:52] CDB Barkley: The more "control" you desire, the more work you end up with in administration of it.
[18:52] Sariah Chihuly: and while you can use some version of monitor if you are in the classroom -- trying to filter in other venues is very hard.
[18:52] Abdiel Merit: I agree with CDB
[18:52] Josephine Finn: there are so many online avenues to porn now, whether they are utilizing the internet for searches or in SL, the bottom line is...they are 18 and over.
[18:52] Carbonel Tigereye: Right.
[18:52] Abdiel Merit: Right
[18:52] Janor Slichter: I'm sure there are ethical implications, but you can arrange to bug your students, too
[18:52] CDB Barkley: Let's give them something more interesting to do ;-)
[18:52] Abdiel Merit: Right
[18:53] Josephine Finn: a few years ago, we were all fighting internet screening software, no?
[18:53] Carbonel Tigereye: I'm not advocating control. Just wondering if we might run into some resistance that interferes with our ability to use virtual worlds in the classroom.
[18:53] Carbonel Tigereye: And, if we do encounter such resistance, do we have a backup plan?
[18:53] Sariah Chihuly: also, if we just aren't interested -- they tend to get the message.
[18:53] Sariah Chihuly: some of us still are.
[18:53] Abdiel Merit: I worry that if we're not careful, we'll end up making all the same mistakes in this world as we do in RL school
[18:53] CDB Barkley: First steps seem efforts to replcate a clasroom- chairs, seats, lecterns...
[18:53] Sariah Chihuly: the libraries in California had to put in filters to keep their funding.
[18:53] Abdiel Merit: spending all our time planning around bad eventualities
[18:54] Josephine Finn: i did hear that.
[18:54] Abdiel Merit: instead of those "better things to do" CDB mentions
[18:54] Sariah Chihuly: I am 100% behind the let's just drop this topic movement I am sensing here. I don't think you can spend your time trying to legislate for the bad apples.
[18:54] Calisto Encinal: RIght. Do you think students are getting desensitized to the "adult" things with all the spam, etc. Can they filter it out?
[18:54] Enjay Ellison: We can teach in PG areas, notify students as to the differences between PG/Mature/unsafe, and demand that content they generate be PG; what they do on their own time is something we can't control.
[18:55] Abdiel Merit: right
[18:55] Carbonel Tigereye: Great. Let's move on.
[18:55] CDB Barkley: So for something "good", Larry has a guest with offerings for us ....
[18:55] Sariah Chihuly: great summation Enjay.
[18:56] Larry Pixel: so one of the issues many of us have been tryign to solve.....
[18:56] Larry Pixel: is how to share video in real time
[18:56] Larry Pixel: how many of you have tried that?
[18:56] Carbonel Tigereye has not tried that.
[18:56] Larry Pixel: typically how it works is that everyone watches video separately
[18:56] Calisto Encinal: Have not tried, but would find it valuable.
[18:57] Larry Pixel: I can be sitting next to you and not see the video
[18:57] Larry Pixel: that you are watching
[18:57] Larry Pixel: so an artist working here in SL has been trying to solve the same issue, but fromt he perspective of an artist
[18:57] Sariah Chihuly: rl is calling, but I'll check in later.
[18:57] William Pharaoh: showing video to two people is very different than showing it to 20
[18:58] Larry Pixel: how can you show your art in exhibition if it cannot be a share dexperience?
[18:58] Larry Pixel: kind of a similar situation to sharing a vidoe with a class and having a discussion
[18:58] Chianti Carmichael: is essential.
[18:59] Larry Pixel: so we talked the artist, who is here tongiht, and asked if she woudl share her solution, and she said sure!
[18:59] Heidi TeeCee: great!
[18:59] William Pharaoh: it's a matter of P.OV. -- literally and figuratively
[18:59] Corwin Carillon: folks ... you may want to stand up from the table to see this
[18:59] Larry Pixel: so for those who are interested, i'll do a demo in a few minutes with the screens behind us by the coffee
[19:00] Larry Pixel: meanwhile, let me thank Abbaca Aoi for her genrosity!
[19:00] CDB Barkley appaluds
[19:00] Chianti Carmichael: My system is terribly slow so I will be able to relate technical challenges.
[19:00] CDB Barkley applauds
[19:00] Abdiel Merit: /applause
[19:00] Abbaca Aoi: most welcome. glad it is of help to you
[19:00] Enjay Ellison claps
[19:00] Heidi TeeCee: thanks!!!
[19:00] Abdiel Merit: /claps
[19:00] Larry Pixel: you'll need to have your video enabled
[19:01] Larry Pixel: and click your play button
[19:01] CDB Barkley: Hey, who turned that on!!!
[19:01] Larry Pixel: when you all can see the Civid Defense video, let me know
[19:01] totally Vavoom: lol!
[19:01] Abdiel Merit: got it
[19:01] Enjay Ellison: saw it
[19:01] Kim Chihuly: saw it
[19:01] Janor Slichter: I just got it
[19:01] Enjay Ellison: lol
[19:01] Katherine Watson: saw it
[19:01] Professor Beliveau: I can hear it
[19:01] Calisto Encinal: Got it!
[19:01] Corwin Carillon: got it
[19:01] totally Vavoom: got it!
[19:01] Adri Saarinen got it
[19:01] Abdiel Merit: sounds like there's a lobster loose
[19:01] Josephine Finn: My cat jumped!
[19:01] Stacy Narayan: yep
[19:02] CDB Barkley: beeeeeeeeeep
[19:02] SueMaeLA Escape: got it
[19:02] Kevin Galbraith: heh
[19:02] Abbaca video player V2: http://www.moderntv.com/modtvweb/qtclips/atest.mov
[19:02] Abbaca video player V2: Sync is ready to play.
[19:02] Abdiel Merit: cover yourselves in hot butter!
[19:02] Chianti Carmichael: just got it.
[19:02] Heidi TeeCee: got it
[19:02] William Pharaoh: It was much funnier the 1st time.
[19:02] totally Vavoom: hot butter!
[19:02] Chianti Carmichael: ha!
[19:02] Abdiel Merit: lol
[19:02] totally Vavoom: must be an americanism I don't get ;-)
[19:02] Abdiel Merit: rotfl
[19:02] Abbaca video player V2: Al Gore on SNL is ready to play.
[19:02] Larry Pixel: OK here we go....
[19:02] Abdiel Merit: from an old comedy routine
[19:02] Larry Pixel: Al Gore
[19:02] Chianti Carmichael: lol sorry vavoon.
[19:02] totally Vavoom: at my expense abdile ?;-)
[19:02] Abdiel Merit: naah
[19:02] William Pharaoh: it's cold war era comedy at its best (or worst)
[19:03] Larry Pixel: you should be seeing space
[19:03] Larry Pixel: now Al Gore
[19:03] totally Vavoom: nope
[19:03] Stacy Narayan: this is great
[19:03] Enjay Ellison: got it
[19:03] Larry Pixel: Saturday Night Live
[19:03] CDB Barkley: Al loks spacey
[19:03] Kim Chihuly: stopped?
[19:03] Carbonel Tigereye is having problems playing the video.
[19:03] Larry Pixel: OK I paused it
[19:03] Abdiel Merit: oops
[19:03] Enjay Ellison: stopped
[19:03] Abdiel Merit: ah
[19:03] Abdiel Merit: tricky!
[19:03] Larry Pixel: \so we can talk about Al
[19:03] Heidi TeeCee: stopped or me
[19:03] Farley Scarborough: Excellent
[19:03] totally Vavoom: can you run it one more time please?
[19:03] Josephine Finn: the man who would be prez
[19:04] totally Vavoom: pretty please ? ;-)
[19:04] Abbaca video player V2: http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/Gore_SNL_06_640.mov
[19:04] totally Vavoom: muchas gracias!
[19:04] Larry Pixel: and now a new video
[19:04] Abbaca video player V2: It was a bug, Dave is ready to play.
[19:04] Larry Pixel: hello Dave
[19:04] Enjay Ellison: lol
[19:04] Josephine Finn: um, little creepy
[19:04] Stacy Narayan: this is hilarious
[19:04] Abdiel Merit: needs a better HAL voice
[19:04] Abdiel Merit: lol
[19:05] Larry Pixel: So it will play 10 videos
[19:05] Enjay Ellison: rotf
[19:05] Chianti Carmichael: (copyright issues?)
[19:05] Larry Pixel: you can control it, or give control to the public
[19:05] Abdiel Merit: pshaw
[19:05] Abbaca Aoi: 12 including the sync one
[19:05] Kevin Galbraith: heh
[19:05] Heidi TeeCee: great video!
[19:05] Abbaca video player V2: Auto Align is ON.
[19:05] Stacy Narayan: the audio and video both are great, for me
[19:05] Espresso machine : gives a cup to Calisto Encinal
[19:05] Espresso Demi Tasse whispers: Now THAT will open your eyes!
[19:05] Montserrat Augustus: LOL
[19:05] Abbaca video player V2: Public menu access.
[19:06] Abbaca video player V2: A parody is ready to play.
[19:06] Abdiel Merit: feh
[19:06] Larry Pixel: new video
[19:06] CDB Barkley: Dave?
[19:06] Chianti Carmichael: (choppy here)
[19:06] Abbaca video player V2: http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/thinkdifferent2.mov
[19:06] Abbaca video player V2: http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/thinkdifferent2.mov
[19:06] Janor Slichter: thanks, folks... gotta run
[19:06] Corwin Carillon: bye Janor
[19:06] Larry Pixel: some of these are not runnign from great servers
[19:06] CDB Barkley: See you Janor
[19:07] Larry Pixel: so who wants one?
[19:07] Abbaca video player V2: http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/thinkdifferent2.mov
[19:07] Larry Pixel: can you see a use for these?
[19:07] totally Vavoom: me!!!
[19:07] Abbaca video player V2: http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/thinkdifferent2.mov
[19:07] Stacy Narayan: me me
[19:07] Larry Pixel: you add video on anote card
[19:07] Kevin Galbraith: yes
[19:07] Calisto Encinal: Me!
[19:07] Enjay Ellison: yesyes!
[19:07] Abdiel Merit: Certainly
[19:07] Heidi TeeCee: me!!!!!!!!
[19:07] Abdiel Merit: I'll have two to go, please
[19:07] Montserrat Augustus: yes please!
[19:07] Boris Grommet: Me, please!
[19:07] Larry Pixel: OK....right click and buy one for $0!!
[19:07] Chianti Carmichael: Larry, will it play smoother if fewer avatars are present?
[19:07] Enjay Ellison: right click on the screen?
[19:07] Kevin Galbraith: Abdiel wants the ones that play the Microsoft videos, though.
[19:07] totally Vavoom: right click the screen?
[19:08] Larry Pixel: le tme selec ton on a good server
[19:08] SueMaeLA Escape is Offline
[19:08] totally Vavoom: That's cos Abdile works with the dark side!!!
[19:08] totally Vavoom: ;-)
[19:08] Josephine Finn: i had quicktime issues with teh Gore piece
[19:08] Carbonel Tigereye is Online
[19:08] CDB Barkley: Those screens show only BSOD movies
[19:08] Abbaca video player V2: Sync is qued to play.
[19:08] totally Vavoom: where do we click to buy it?
[19:08] Abdiel Merit: No, just the expose on MacPowerBooks, the ones that are more reliable than, well, oops
[19:08] Abdiel Merit: heh
[19:08] Larry Pixel: on the screen
[19:08] CDB Barkley: ok
[19:08] Kevin Galbraith: totally - right clikc an buy it for $0
[19:08] Abdiel Merit: Got mine!
[19:09] Abbaca video player V2: Sync is qued to play.
[19:09] Abbaca video player V2: http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/Gore_SNL_06_640.mov
[19:09] Abbaca video player V2: Al Gore on SNL is ready to play.
[19:09] totally Vavoom: got it!
[19:09] totally Vavoom: thanks Kevin
[19:09] Larry Pixel: Say thanks to Abbaca!!
[19:09] totally Vavoom: Thanks Abbaca!
[19:09] CDB Barkley: Thanks Abbaca!
[19:09] Enjay Ellison: thanks, Abbaca!
[19:09] Kevin Galbraith: I'd argue with you Abdiel, but my MacBook goes into the shop tomorrow for repairs.
[19:09] Heidi TeeCee: got it ... thanks soooo much Abbaca!
[19:09] Abdiel Merit: Thank You Abbaca
[19:09] totally Vavoom: /cclap
[19:09] Abdiel Merit: ouch!
[19:09] Boris Grommet: Thanks, Abbaca!
[19:09] Abbaca video player V2: Sync is qued to play.
[19:09] Abbaca Aoi: welcome!!
[19:09] CDB Barkley: Perhaps explains the details on where it can be used....
[19:09] Kim Chihuly: very nice - thanks Abbaca
[19:10] Stacy Narayan: Thanks so much
[19:10] Abdiel Merit: yes, details--does it come with a manual?
[19:10] Abbaca video player V2: Sync is qued to play.
[19:10] Abbaca Aoi: read the Help inside the setup menu
[19:10] Larry Pixel: ah yes....that is important
[19:10] Abdiel Merit: ah, thanks!
[19:10] CDB Barkley: You need to have your own land or a place where you are in a group that owns
[19:10] Abbaca Aoi: or in the Contents in Edit
[19:10] Calisto Encinal: ¡Muchas gracias!
[19:10] Larry Pixel: the screen needs to be owned by the same person or gropup the land is owned by
[19:10] Abdiel Merit: Can we watch Young Frankenstein late?
[19:10] Abbaca video player V2: http://alt-zoom.com/movies/augtake5/sekretMenuz.mov
[19:10] Abbaca video player V2: sekretMenuz is ready to play.
[19:11] Abbaca Aoi: If you have any problems or questions IM me or Larry and I'll try to help you
[19:11] Larry Pixel: look in the contents folder for a full description of how to use it
[19:11] Professor Beliveau: thanks guys. Great session
[19:11] Larry Pixel: and there notecard VIDOES has the list you can play
[19:11] Abbaca video player V2: Sync is qued to play.
[19:11] Johnny99 Gumshoe is Offline
[19:12] Larry Pixel: this one is set to public control so that is why iot is doing all this
[19:12] Larry Pixel: all of you are clickign on it and playign with it'
[19:12] Kevin Galbraith is Offline
[19:12] Stacy Narayan: Will someone post the transcript of this meeting?
[19:12] Kevin Galbraith is Online
[19:12] Stacy Narayan: I crashed and didn't get a chance to save it for myself
[19:12] CDB Barkley: Yes Stacy
[19:12] Corwin Carillon is Offline
[19:13] Abbaca video player V2: Public menu access.
[19:13] Stacy Narayan: Thanks CDB
[19:13] CDB Barkley: will be linked to http://www.nmc.org/campus/Teachers_Buzz_Session
[19:13] Abdiel Merit: Gotta unimmerse myself--thanks for a good session, everyone. See you next time.
[19:13] Carbonel Tigereye waves goodbye to Abdiel.
[19:13] CDB Barkley: See ya AbDeal
[19:13] Abbaca video player V2: Sync is qued to play.
[19:13] totally Vavoom: bye abdiel
[19:13] Larry Pixel: turnoff your movie controls if this is driving you crazy
[19:14] CDB Barkley: So as we wrap this Buzz.... do we have topics anyone wants for a future session?
[19:14] William Pharaoh: is the looping because of lag or too many viewers?
[19:14] Larry Pixel: there is also an awsome slider viewer that Abbaca created next to the video player
[19:14] Larry Pixel: no looping is a setting
[19:14] Larry Pixel: I'd suggest we turn off our miovie contriols at this point
[19:14] William Pharaoh: I guess it's not looping, but rather multiple starts
[19:14] Larry Pixel: you can play with this one later or the one in the Gonicl
[19:15] Larry Pixel: yes that is the issue
[19:15] Heidi TeeCee: have to go everyone ... thanks! see ya next time!
[19:15] Larry Pixel: multiple starts
[19:15] CDB Barkley: Bye Heidi
[19:15] Larry Pixel: there is a settign so that the group cannot cannot do that
[19:15] William Pharaoh: the bestof plans mislaid...
[19:15] Heidi TeeCee: bye everyone ... bye CDB
[19:15] Heidi TeeCee is Offline
[19:16] Abbaca video player V2: Public menu access.
[19:16] Kevin Galbraith: See you totally
[19:16] Abbaca video player V2: Group member menu access only.
[19:16] totally Vavoom: bye kevin!
[19:16] Kevin Galbraith is Offline
[19:16] Boris Grommet: RL is calling - see you all later!
[19:16] Katherine Watson: night all ... thanks for the viewer Abbaca
[19:16] Abbaca Aoi: wecome :)
[19:16] Katherine Watson: :)
[19:17] totally Vavoom: good session CDB!
[19:17] William Pharaoh: is the viewer an object that can be copied?
[19:17] Larry Pixel: so I was gong to mention the slideshow -- also for sale for $0
[19:17] Larry Pixel: also self expanatory
[19:17] Abbaca Aoi: slideshow is the best in SL
[19:18] Larry Pixel: has wonderful fades and requires no special perms onthe tecutures
[19:18] Larry Pixel: textures
[19:18] CDB Barkley: that rules
[19:18] Abbaca Aoi: the fades in between slides are pristine
[19:18] Abbaca Aoi: and there are multiple size and other settings
[19:18] Abbaca Aoi: it's very very nice
[19:18] Larry Pixel: yes very nice
[19:19] Abdiel Merit is Offline
[19:19] Abbaca Aoi: the video is very inexpensive in SL. 300$L. selling to help support my scripters and updates
[19:19] Cyrus Huffhines is Online
[19:19] Abbaca Aoi: so no copies unless you go through Larry or me I guess, however Larry wants to handle that if fine with me.
[19:19] Larry Pixel: where =can they buy more Abbaca?
[19:20] Abbaca Aoi: for now they can simply IM me. Soon enough I will advertise them on SLExchange and others.
[19:20] William Pharaoh: humor me as a newbie, but can th slide show and video player be purchased here at the NMC campus?
[19:21] Larry Pixel: Just today
[19:21] Larry Pixel: noramlly they are $300 lindens at Abbaca's store
[19:21] CDB Barkley: oops
[19:21] Larry Pixel: so it is really a special treat
[19:22] William Pharaoh: what format do you compress the vid into? Flash? QT? WMV?
[19:22] Larry Pixel: QT
[19:22] Abbaca Aoi: QT
[19:22] William Pharaoh: rock!
[19:22] Larry Pixel: that is the SL atandard
[19:22] CDB Barkley: All videos must have a URL
[19:22] Larry Pixel: yes, but they can play from any website
[19:22] Piett Hesse: they cannot be viewed using the SL Linux client, beware of :(
[19:23] CDB Barkley: Well, we're gonna wrap up this Buzz session, you're welcome to hang around.
[19:23] CDB Barkley: Thanks for the great conversations.
[19:24] Enjay Ellison: thank you all
[19:24] Farley Scarborough: Thank for a great session!
[19:24] CDB Barkley: Next one is Nov 27 at 9am SLT/PST
[19:24] Calisto Encinal: Thanks! Very informative!
[19:24] William Pharaoh: thanx 4 all the info on vid players
[19:24] Carbonel Tigereye: yes. thank you everyone!
