Teachers Buzz Session 2 Transcript
From NMC-Campus
Meeting on 2006-09-04
Those present:
Corwin Carillon is in the chair.
Professor Beliveau: /I've done demonstrations . . . tours of NMC campus . . . but not "orientations" as such
Heidi TeeCee: Lyr ... can you tell us about the experience ... objectives, how it went, etc?
Davee Commerce: me too
Corwin Carillon: folks...
Corwin Carillon: if you're ok with recording this....
Corwin Carillon: can you click the black box under the flickr poster
Heidi TeeCee: ok with me Corwin
Professor Beliveau: /k
jokay Wollongong: cool with me ;-)
Janor Slichter has indicated consent to be recorded.
Sue Keen has indicated consent to be recorded.
Zizou Zetkin has indicated consent to be recorded.
Lyr Lobo has indicated consent to be recorded.
jokay Wollongong has indicated consent to be recorded.
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Corwin Carillon: thanks everyone for coming!
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Heidi TeeCee has indicated consent to be recorded.
Corwin Carillon: if it's ok could you quickly say your name and institution/organization :) thx
Lorenzo Stork: Lorenzo Stork Univ of TN College of Medicine
Sue Keen: my sl just crashed...anyone else's
Lyr Lobo: Lyr Lobo, Colorado Technical University, Professor of Computer Science
totally Vavoom: mine did as well
Corwin Carillon: me too Sue
Davee Commerce: Dave Taylor, National Physical Laboratory, UK
Heidi TeeCee: Me too Sue ... but I'm back ...
Zizou Zetkin: Zizou Zetkin Grand Valley State University
Corwin Carillon: it has been playing up today
Windy Gibb: Jennifer at Maricopa Community Colleges
jokay Wollongong: jokay Wollongong, TAFE NSW - Illawarra, Australia
Mace Remblai: Mace , Case Western Reserve University
Professor Beliveau: /Ed Lamoureux/Professor Beliveau, Multimedia Program, Bradley University, Peoria, Illinois USA
Farley Scarborough: I crashed too
Sue Keen: Director of Computer Training/California Lutheran University
Janor Slichter: Janor Slichter, currently unaffiliated
Corwin Carillon: Nick Noakes, Hong Kong University of Science and technology
totally Vavoom: Vidya/totally Vavoom/Trinity University
Flameheart Sol: Flameheart Sol: Colorado Technical University, Director of Learning Technology
Heidi TeeCee: Heidi Trotta, Seton Hall University
Farley Scarborough: Wright State University, Dayton, Ohio
Corwin Carillon: good to see you all here ... esp on labor day holiday! :)
totally Vavoom: ha!
Corwin Carillon: so the format for these is casual ...
totally Vavoom: ;-)
Corwin Carillon: we have a topic ... Orientations for faculty and students new to SL
Corwin Carillon: and Heidi and I have a few questions to help us frame the discussion a little ....
Corwin Carillon: but we can all go with the flow! *smiles*
Corwin Carillon: so to get started ...
Corwin Carillon: Whether you have done an SL orientation or plan to do one, what are the learning outcomes you hoped/are hoping for with what target group and over how many hours?
Lyr Lobo: For students in game design, learning immersive design and scripting, introduction in 1 hour, activity in 2-4 hours
totally Vavoom: My first year seminar class will be spending about 4 weeks in SL. The idea is to explore the notion of community dynamics in a virtual environment and compare it to other online forms.
jokay Wollongong: i'm working on orientation with teachers... the focus is on rapid familiarisation - so shortest time possible ;-)
Lorenzo Stork: I am planning a continuing medical education activity in SL for physicians. My plan is to recruit some docs who are already in SL
totally Vavoom: we won't be doing specific research however, it's more via their own observations and reflections of the same
Lyr Lobo: We broke our activities into learning objectives and skills.
totally Vavoom: i am interested in demoing it to my faculty, especially language faculty as well
Professor Beliveau: /in preparation for an undergraduate class held in land, and for students to do research within sl . . . I'll need to get students up and running, get them to explore, have them be facile in about 3 weeks BEFORE we start class
Corwin Carillon: quite a range of contexts and people .... what about others? troy .. zizou ... janor
Zizou Zetkin: Hmm . . . I'm probably working with a small group of secondary teachers sometime in the future
Janor Slichter: I'm currently unaffiliated, so I have no formal orentation to plan :)
Sue Keen: i haven't used it yet with faculty or students....eager to find out how others are using sl...today
Zizou Zetkin: and some English education university students as well
Corwin Carillon: Hi Alexandria
Alexandria Knight: Hi. So sorry I'm late.
Corwin Carillon: np
Heidi TeeCee: That's ok, welcome
Zizou Zetkin: I think a key thing for secondary teachers is to be able to rationalize SL to their schools and districts
totally Vavoom: actually, that's the challenge at university level as well
Sue Keen: yes, zizou, and the same is true at post secondary level
Zizou Zetkin: Yep
Zizou Zetkin: You typed faster than I did :)
Flameheart Sol: If nothing else, using SL to teach real world economy is a lesson in itself
Lorenzo Stork: It's key for all of us. SL is difficult to explain, so need to be experienced first
Corwin Carillon: :) true flameheart
Zizou Zetkin: Part of orientation should be advocacy . . .
Sue Keen: some of faculty like TappedIn and they don't think they need sl
totally Vavoom: and for faculty, having to "learn" a new skill is not always an attractive option and competes with their other priorities
Heidi TeeCee: Tappedln?
Professor Beliveau: /there's an awful lot of web press around right now about how it works for classes . . . we should probably do a wiki that lists all of those pieces
Zizou Zetkin: So we don't just come off as tech-happy people gushing about the latest thing
Troy McLuhan: One reason the International Spaceflight Museum has been able to make so much progress is that we *don't* have to rationalize it to any RL entities. We just do.
Alexandria Knight: A wiki with all of those places listed would be great
Lyr Lobo nods at Troy
Davee Commerce: Rationalisation is v important for me. I've demoed NMC Campus and SL to Scientists and Government officials - to generate awareness and interest in the projects I need funding for.
Corwin Carillon: there is a wiki already Alexandria ... SimTeach ...
Alexandria Knight: Oh, ok
jokay Wollongong: http://www.simteach.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
Alexandria Knight: Thanks!
Sue Keen: i like the wiki list idea
Zizou Zetkin: Of course, WE can see its inherent value, but in a lot of schools, it is a fight to get anything new up and running
totally Vavoom: it's a really good resource alexandria
Windy Gibb: is there a list anywhere that communicates the projects going on here? i've interested faculty but don't know how to begin or with whom?
Sue Keen: TappedIn is a MUDD
Heidi TeeCee: thanks Sue
Sue Keen: windy, good question
Alexandria Knight: Is there a training/orientation areas for people who want to learn and practice teeaching in SL?
Lyr Lobo: yes
Windy Gibb: fore example our student life directo would love to do something but how? with whom?
Corwin Carillon: So a precursor to using SL is justifying it ....
Lyr Lobo: TeaZers University and Academy of Second Life both teach how to teach in SL
Sue Keen: i'd like some specific directions for those who have been successful about how to get started
Lyr Lobo: and how to set up orientation classes
Zizou Zetkin: Perhaps an updated exhibit on SL campus, with poster display of cool projects here
Alexandria Knight: Yes, specific directions, models, practice areas, role-playing would all be good
Davee Commerce: Yes - showing how others are using it and establishing the value of projects in SL
Zizou Zetkin: Yep, with easy teleporting to those spots
Windy Gibb: plus if there was a similar feture to "orientation island' but for nmc campus specifically for students and for faculty
Zizou Zetkin: That's what I'm thinking, Windy
Alexandria Knight: And it would be great if it were chunked into "small bites"
jokay Wollongong: Pathfinder provides some of that info in notecards... as well as the resources at the ICT library...
Lyr Lobo: so far, it has worked best to break activities into 30 min to 1 hour sessions
Janor Slichter: wasn't Campus (the sim) origionally designed for that?
Lyr Lobo: following the TeaZers University model
Alexandria Knight: So people wouldn't feel overwhelmed at first
Lyr Lobo: with measurable goals
Professor Beliveau: /could the existing NMC HUD tour be expanded for this specialized purpose?
Corwin Carillon: Windy, Zizou ... so what you are saying is having sort of pre-recorded tours?
Alexandria Knight: Is there a way to print/email Notecards?
Lyr Lobo: yes
Zizou Zetkin: A tour (here or on SL campus) would be great
Professor Beliveau: /the NMC HUD already does a tour
Professor Beliveau: /click on robbie the robot at the transport and he'll give it to you
Corwin Carillon: does eveyone know that the NMC HUD is?
Professor Beliveau: /but there could be a second version
Professor Beliveau: for educators
Alexandria Knight: No, I don't
jokay Wollongong: There's a learning styles issue there tho... i have students who would hate a hud... are loving the freedom to explore ;-)
Windy Gibb: i'm not certain but something along those lines
Professor Beliveau: that further articulates the uses in that context
Zizou Zetkin: A SLURL from secondlife.com/education would be helpful too
Corwin Carillon: so multiple options is key? ....
Corwin Carillon: one option to have a fixed tour ... another more open ?
Alexandria Knight: That sounds good
jokay Wollongong: def corwin... multiple ways for people to familiarise and make contacts...
Windy Gibb: i know i come in here a lot and there are not many people so i spend a lot of time wandering campus on my own so when i do finally interact with people i'd nerve racking
Professor Beliveau: /the fixed tour is already there, but it is just of locations
Zizou Zetkin: Museum exhibit: education in SL
Alexandria Knight: Me too--there's never anyone else here when I'm here
Professor Beliveau: /I think it might need to be "redone" with educational activities in mind
jokay Wollongong: I think helping people to make their first 'friend' is an important part of orientation too....
totally Vavoom: u read my mind jokay
Alexandria Knight: It would be nice to link museums and libraries too
Windy Gibb: itd be great if there was an avatar avitar (LOL) that could simulate a person ywhen someone is inand explore they can experiement all aspects of how to tal move,
Windy Gibb: etc.
Alexandria Knight: How to do information research within SL
Professor Beliveau: /info island tries to keep staff on hand to meet and greet
Sue Keen: yes, me too re no one here when i'm here so i go to other sl site and shop
totally Vavoom: it would be nice to ahve a "mentor" or a "friend" who comes along on the tour
Corwin Carillon: ok .. so two elements to orientations ...
Professor Beliveau: /it's a rough cover . . . but they try
Corwin Carillon: becoming familiar with places ...
Windy Gibb: info island is not in nmc though right?
totally Vavoom: I know it's still a big barrier to the amountof time i spend here
Corwin Carillon: connecting to people ... is that right?
Alexandria Knight: Info Island is separate, run largely by the Alliance Library System
Professor Beliveau: /info island is separate
totally Vavoom: i beleive u've got it corwin
Professor Beliveau: /but it's a nice touch
Professor Beliveau: you land there and are often greeted
Alexandria Knight: That System consists of 253 libraries of all kinds, including public libraries
Windy Gibb: there is a safety for those less "adventurous" in staying on NMC
Professor Beliveau: windy . .. when I'm here (often) I'm usually alone
Corwin Carillon: so .... another issue is meeting and greeting the first time ... for those who need it?
Professor Beliveau: /yes... maybe a system for getting ahold of a mentor
Davee Commerce: I'm often here in the middle of the night SL time - but the HUD is very handy
Corwin Carillon: another issue is having people 'here' in SL ...
totally Vavoom: more than a greeter, a emntor or friend would be useful in my opinon
Corwin Carillon: this was raised just the other day on the SLED list
Lorenzo Stork: A mentor program from NMC would be good
Zizou Zetkin: Question: does the education orientation we're talking about here cover ALL the bases, or are newcomers still expected to do orientation island to learn the basics?
Alexandria Knight: I think Orientation Island is essential as a first stop
Corwin Carillon: meeters and greeters .... mentors ...
totally Vavoom: i think orientation island does a good job of covering the basics and it seems a waste to reinvent the wheel
jokay Wollongong: I am still encouraging people to do orientation isle first.... but many seem to want to skip over that and into a personal tour v quickly ;-)
Zizou Zetkin: I agree in theory, but I also think OI is pretty chaotic
Professor Beliveau: or Beginners' Guide to Second Life http://secondlife.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BGSL
Alexandria Knight: But it would be very nice to have somethink similar just for educators
Alexandria Knight: More like Beginner's Guide to Teaching in SL
Lyr Lobo: It helps if we are focused and smooth when our students arrive *grins*
Sue Keen: may we go back to how to get started...how do we invite someone to be a sl member and get their avatar...that can be intimadating for those we wish to orient
Heidi TeeCee: yes, that would be very helpful
Windy Gibb: what i mean is for example when i cam intoday i had to find you guys a...a window that says this is what is going on NMC right now...would youlike to transport?
Professor Beliveau: /in december there will be a "guide" published by SL: Second Life: The Official Guide (Paperback) by Michael Rymaszewski http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047009608X/
Sue Keen: i like the beginner's guide to teaching.. . idea
Corwin Carillon: we're mentioning a lot of different elements here .... :)
Corwin Carillon: For those that have done this already, what practices have you found to work well with your target group? what are some key issues to watch out for?
Alexandria Knight: Me too. I had to fly around til I saw where you were
Lorenzo Stork: SL for Dummies can't be far behind
Alexandria Knight: Lol
Professor Beliveau: Second Life: The Official Guide (Paperback) by Michael Rymaszewski http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047009608X/
Alexandria Knight: Great!
Professor Beliveau: /it's intended as dummies guide
Troy McLuhan: The mini-map is useful to find people on the sim
Alexandria Knight: Maybe we need an NMC/educators "Friends" group
Zizou Zetkin: My thinking on the education orientation is that it should be like a honeymoon package: all-inclusive :)
Professor Beliveau: yes
totally Vavoom: lol zizou ;-)
Alexandria Knight: When you first arrrive, you get a Friend who's helpful, as on Help Island
jokay Wollongong: Time and support are the two biggies... get your SL friends involved if you can.. .make sure you have a few experienced residents around for the first bit.... not only does this help to demo communication tools... but handy for answering all the newbie ?
Corwin Carillon: hmmm ... could we grow a mentor community?
Professor Beliveau: /I'd like NMC to add email addresses to the director
Alexandria Knight: Abbey Zenith on Info Island gives wonderful orienntations to SL
Professor Beliveau: directory
Professor Beliveau: http://www.nmc.org/sl/directory.php?c=all&b=50&idx=0
Corwin Carillon: anyone who's been mentored has to mentor 2 others .... a sort of pay it forweard?
Alexandria Knight: Maybe she can train a cadre of others to do that too
Windy Gibb: what has been helpful for me is targeting those i know who can take this and run with it (not ideal) and sending them NMC's promo video and the blog and wiki
Professor Beliveau: \One can go there to see who's who, but can't make contact from there unless they are inworld at the time
Mace Remblai: well being a gamer, how about a game guided by the mentor where the student has to do something rather than being shown
totally Vavoom: i like that diea mace
jokay Wollongong: nice idea mace!
totally Vavoom: *idea
Windy Gibb: that'd be cool!
Corwin Carillon: that sounds great Alexandria
Alexandria Knight: Yes, sounds good
Lorenzo Stork: Folks, I need to depart. This was a good session. cta
Windy Gibb: especially if it covered basic things like flyying, talking, transporting, making things, etc.
Corwin Carillon: that is what we are trying for the NMC teacher workshops Mace :)
Professor Beliveau: /take care LS
totally Vavoom: ciao!
Alexandria Knight: I think it would be good to have all of those, but also what you need to do/learn as a teacher...
Corwin Carillon: bye Ed
totally Vavoom: i think we are dealing with two different issues here
totally Vavoom: there is the issue of learning SL itself, how to operate and connect in it
totally Vavoom: then there's the issue of how to teach with it
totally Vavoom: and i beleive the second can only happen if the first does
Alexandria Knight: e.g., directing hands-on sessions, using PowerPoint, using a whiteboard, coming up with exercises for students, helping them learn to do info research, critical thinking, etc.
Professor Beliveau: /#1 . . . I need an animation for hand raising . . it's hard to take turns . . I'm using audio for our sessions . . . can't have 8 people talking remotely at once.
Corwin Carillon: agree totally ...
Heidi TeeCee: yes, you need to separate the two out
Alexandria Knight: Yes, someting for polling
Windy Gibb: and how to connect with other projects in NMC as well as use the NMC campus
Corwin Carillon: agree totally with Totally
jokay Wollongong: hehe... totally totally! ;-)
Zizou Zetkin: But those two separate things could both be offered here
Windy Gibb: how can we use the gallery?
Corwin Carillon: hehe
Windy Gibb: for example
totally Vavoom: ther was major wordplay going on in my head when i chose that anme ;-)
Zizou Zetkin: two floors of the same exhibit
Corwin Carillon: yes zizou
Corwin Carillon: you can weave the two together
Lyr Lobo: it is a good idea to identify the animations you need for interaction and feedback with students
Corwin Carillon: can you say more Lyr?
Alexandria Knight: It sure would be nice to see a model or two of how someone's actually teacching a class in SL first
Professor Beliveau: /hand raising & card giving . .. gotta learn em
Alexandria Knight: Then break it down into parts, activities
Sue Keen: so if we could easily get a package of teaching animations, that would be helpful
Lyr Lobo: well as the Professor noted, i helps to understand student needs (if you have more than 2 at a time) if you have visual and auditory cues
Lyr Lobo: I've been fine with everyone talking in chat interactively
totally Vavoom: i wonder if we can be "interested observers' at classes that are already being held inworld?
Lyr Lobo: but in larger groups, it is probably easier for recording purposes
Alexandria Knight: In addition to animations, it would be nice to be able to do things like polling by clicking as with some Webinars
Professor Beliveau: /I'm going to do lecture discussion. It can't be random
Troy McLuhan: Yes, many classes allow you to visit / observe
Lyr Lobo: mine are activity based
Professor Beliveau: /students are also going to do presentations . . .
Windy Gibb: oh really? how where?
Lyr Lobo: so they perform the activities as we discuss them
totally Vavoom: is there an easy way to access that info Troy?
Windy Gibb: i'd love to see both
Alexandria Knight: It would be nice to have a list of classes that would welcome observers
Sue Keen: yes, the opportunity to observe would be very helpful
totally Vavoom: well, we can all hang out at lyr's, right lyr ;-)
Lyr Lobo: classes in world are free and are open to all... Search button, Events, Education category and search button
Lyr Lobo grins
Lyr Lobo: you bet
Alexandria Knight: Maybe with teleport buttons
Lyr Lobo: I have rotating builds and experiments
Professor Beliveau: /that raises an issue
Professor Beliveau: /I may have to close some sesions
Professor Beliveau: /subject confidentiality from research
Professor Beliveau: /there isn't a way to do that here
Professor Beliveau: everything is open
Alexandria Knight: Yes, they could also be overwhelmed with visitors
Lyr Lobo: Hmm on my property, I restrict access during those sessions totally
Vavoom: exactly alexandria,
Professor Beliveau: /I talked with larry about it
Lyr Lobo: I close it down, put my students on the access list
Professor Beliveau: roofs
Professor Beliveau: so it's all open
Professor Beliveau: /he though posting a sign might be enough
Corwin Carillon: You can restrict access tho to property ... rooms ... silence them from outside people too
Windy Gibb: can you record your sessions?
Professor Beliveau: /can't here
Sue Keen: could nmc members have a list of classes that would be helpful to attend...on the open class list it is difficult to sort out what would be useful for us from nmc
Professor Beliveau: we don't control the property
Professor Beliveau: NMC would have to set it up
Corwin Carillon: yes wendy... we are recording this one :)
Professor Beliveau: and so far..... larry is not real interested in that
Professor Beliveau: /i'd like to set the campus as my home
Professor Beliveau: can't do that either
Alexandria Knight: What is he not interested in?
Professor Beliveau: /larry isn't real interested in closing/locing rooms
Professor Beliveau: locking
Professor Beliveau: forclass
Alexandria Knight: Oh, thanks
Lyr Lobo: well members of the old group used to be able to set home here, which is why my home is still set here *grins*
Professor Beliveau: ceilings./.. so easy to fly in, but tough to close
Alexandria Knight: My home is the NMC campus too
Sue Keen: yep -- nmc is my home, too
Corwin Carillon: thx Troy
Lyr Lobo: well sound only travels 20+20 meters
Alexandria Knight: I wonder, will universities want to offer classes here that are completely open?
totally Vavoom: did someboey just send out the SLED Picayune issue?
Professor Beliveau: /I think universities that get serious about it will buy their own
Lyr Lobo: for chat text being recorded by observers
Alexandria Knight: Yes, I was just visiting the San Diego State University campus yesterday
Alexandria Knight: Very nice
Professor Beliveau: mine's using here as a tril.... AND NMC facilicates stuff like audio that I don't want to mess with
Professor Beliveau: trial
totally Vavoom: if you didn't get it, intellagirl's classes are open to visitors, they meet Thrusdays inworld
Alexandria Knight: They have a WebQuest set up where you can take on an immigrant's character and research it, then interact with others
Lyr Lobo: sorry, I meant chat logs.... privacy is not as hard to maintain with the 20+20 distance on chat text
totally Vavoom: thanks troy ;-)
Lyr Lobo: Thank you, Troy
Corwin Carillon: can I ask which of you have done orientation tours with teachers/students in SL?
Lyr Lobo: I have
Professor Beliveau: /tours
Lyr Lobo: Doctoral class
jokay Wollongong: I've done a few now ;-)
jokay Wollongong: And lots of informal touring ;-)
Heidi TeeCee: We have done a few with both
Corwin Carillon: thx Lyr, Jokay ...others?
Alexandria Knight: I'll be showing librarians about/around SL
Windy Gibb: i've send people to yours (NMC)
Professor Beliveau: /mine were all in RL with people watching me via projection in the room
Professor Beliveau: /only one avatar...me
totally Vavoom: when you do these tours, doe they participate as well, or are they more in the line of demos and they are simply watching?
Alexandria Knight: That's how I'm going to have to do it too
Professor Beliveau: /though I did meet ups with avatars in SL
Alexandria Knight: Demos
totally Vavoom: u just answered me prof
Professor Beliveau: :>
Heidi TeeCee: participants were in-world in ours
Professor Beliveau: /I've been ON tours with Lori at Info Island
Windy Gibb: oh my i have to run rl calls me! thank you this was valuable!
Lyr Lobo: I often begin blended reality orientations (real and second life) with the Seriously Engaging movie
Lyr Lobo: http://www.nmc.org/sl/2006/06/12/seriously-engaging-movie/
totally Vavoom: so did you ahve them go through orientation island before the tour heidi?
jokay Wollongong: I've done mainly RL workshops.. participants together in RL.. but also participating inworld...
totally Vavoom: or was it part of the tour?
Sue Keen: so after the sl demo, how do you move them to the next leve--getting thieir own avatar, other...
Alexandria Knight: Me too--Lori gave a great tour of Info Island
Corwin Carillon: ty windy ... we will post the transcipt on the wiki ...
Professor Beliveau: /I tell them they have to! : >
Corwin Carillon: and summary on the blog
Professor Beliveau: /ya can't win if ya don't play
Heidi TeeCee: we tried but they liked to skip that part ... they shouldn't but they tended to do so
Lyr Lobo: much easier to get an account now with the new signup process
Professor Beliveau: /there are some issues with whether one accepts LL offers to students/faculty
Corwin Carillon: what were the group sizes that the four of you were dealing with?
Professor Beliveau: /usually 8
Alexandria Knight: Sorry--what does LL mean?
Corwin Carillon: what was 'manageable'?
Professor Beliveau: linden labs
totally Vavoom: waht kind of offers?
Alexandria Knight: Thanks!
Professor Beliveau: /if you go to their education page
Heidi TeeCee: we had 15 students, 15 faculty ... around those numbes
Heidi TeeCee: numbers
Professor Beliveau: they offer free land to students and faculty
Professor Beliveau: who are teaaching in land
Corwin Carillon: Lyr, Jokay?
totally Vavoom: yes, the campus education program
Professor Beliveau: /one would not get the NMC infrastructure
Professor Beliveau: but students would get to build if they wanted
jokay Wollongong: various for me... smaller groups of 4 -8.... plus some demos to 15-20... which is much harder work! hehe!
Professor Beliveau: we have only the sandbox here
totally Vavoom: no, it makes absolute sense to leverage the wonderful work NMC are doing
Professor Beliveau: /Further, their policies insist that they be notified
Corwin Carillon: so our groups are ranging from 4 - 15 at one time ....
Professor Beliveau: /and that certain permissions get granted in the case of research
Professor Beliveau: /sortta like another level of human subjects review totally Vavoom: yes...
Corwin Carillon: and I think Anya has about 12-15 or so (right Jo?)
Alexandria Knight: Hmmm. So does NMC actually do another IRB-type reviewe?
jokay Wollongong: Um... yeah... I think a few less... maybe 10?
Professor Beliveau: no... LL
Alexandria Knight: Oh, is there a form to fill out somewhere?
Alexandria Knight: Just curious
Corwin Carillon: Jo ... what made the demos harder work?
Professor Beliveau: nope...they ask for a proposal
Professor Beliveau: sorry cc
Professor Beliveau: side chat...my bad
jokay Wollongong: I think with the larger groups... keep everyone on focus is harder....
Alexandria Knight: If you assign students to observe and write about another class, do you have to get LL approval first?
Lyr Lobo: The LL human subjects research process seems to be designed to protect residents' rights as well as ensure effective research procedures
jokay Wollongong: Things were more chaotic... lots to keep track of...
Heidi TeeCee: with the larger groups you need someone to help ... more than one person
jokay Wollongong: Because I have them inworld with me a s well as f2f.. there are lots of questions from al... fun tho ;-)
Mace Remblai: well everyone thanks so much, i've learned much already, RL is calling me. see you
Alexandria Knight: Bye
Corwin Carillon: thx Mace
Heidi TeeCee: we use other students to help assist
Professor Beliveau: /it's a proprietary place... like a mall . . . they want to review what you propose to do, to post notices to residents, and to approve. However, they are NOT good at getting back to you.
jokay Wollongong: good idea heidi... as we build a community in SL in TAFE.. i hope to do something similar...
Corwin Carillon: hehe Jo ... good it is fun for them and you
Troy McLuhan: What is TAFE again?
Alexandria Knight: Thanks--I was going to ask that too
jokay Wollongong: hehe.. i think for most it is fun.. for some it is just frustrating at first....LOL
Heidi TeeCee: It works really well ... but it takes more time to the orientations than you think
jokay Wollongong: Tafe is a vocational college system in Australia...
Heidi TeeCee: the technology has to be there Troy McLuhan: Ah
Alexandria Knight: Thanks
Professor Beliveau: /assuming students have the computers and the bandwidth
Corwin Carillon: let me switch tack a little ...
Professor Beliveau: can they be expected to just go in and get started
Professor Beliveau: ?
Corwin Carillon: What did you find that participants liked the most?
Professor Beliveau: most of them are way more gamers than me/us
jokay Wollongong: hehe... playing with avatars... and freebies ;-)
Alexandria Knight: Not to mention graphics cards that can handle SL
Heidi TeeCee: definitely changing their appearance and putting on clothes
Corwin Carillon: hehe .. think I did that too!
jokay Wollongong: me too ;-)
jokay Wollongong: i'm still doing it ;-)
jokay Wollongong: LOL
totally Vavoom: me too ;-)
Alexandria Knight: Me too...
Heidi TeeCee: but during our class exercise they liked talking to other SL residents
Corwin Carillon: From the orientations, did any follow up activities result? Did you find students/faculty continued to use Second Life after the educational activity/orientation?
jokay Wollongong: yes.. .has been v exciting to see participants inworld...
Lyr Lobo: Yes, students participated in activities here, then we had a lessons learned session during the Residency..face to face
jokay Wollongong: I have encouraged them to use my space as home till they get settled.. so see them all often...
Corwin Carillon: so having people on hand to talk to is imp Heidi? or was this them wondering around?
totally Vavoom: what kind of activities do you typcially ahve them do?
Sue Keen: as a result of this discuss today, could we develop and post a list of progressive, incremental activites to bring our fac and stus on board with sl
Alexandria Knight: Lessons learned sounds good
jokay Wollongong: I am working on fostering some community with the view to projects in 2007...
Heidi TeeCee: yes, we have a whole soriety using SL instead of IM
Professor Beliveau: /reading the various SL blogs . . I do note that many long time in-worlders are beginning to get a little gun shy over all the noobs poking around, running into things, and asking questions
Flameheart Sol: Sorry all, I have another engagement
Corwin Carillon: that's a great idea Sue ... lets try ... we can do it on the wiki ... I'll talk with Alan / CDB about it
Flameheart Sol: This has been wonderful!
Professor Beliveau: /it would be real useful for us teachers to make sure that our people are as trained as possible to help minimize that
Corwin Carillon: bye flameheart!
Sue Keen: thanks and great, corwin
Lyr Lobo smiles
totally Vavoom: bye flameheart
Professor Beliveau: /so any suggestions how I can set here as home?
Professor Beliveau: /the standard menu item doesn't work for me
totally Vavoom: i'd like to do that too
Professor Beliveau: tells me I can't
Alexandria Knight: Yes, it's been great! Hope you all remember librarians, as students will likely need to do info researching for coursework and papers.
Lyr Lobo: I need to leave for a class, too. When does this session end?
Alexandria Knight: Have to go--Thanks!
Lyr Lobo: bye Alexandria
totally Vavoom: we'll keep librarians in mind alexandria, bye!
Alexandria Knight: Bye
Corwin Carillon: the session should have ended a few mins ago ...
Corwin Carillon: but we can continue on and we'll record and post the transcript
totally Vavoom: but we' were on a roll!
Lyr Lobo smiles
Janor Slichter: very good, I need be going, too
Janor Slichter: thanks everyone
Corwin Carillon: bye Lyr, Janor
totally Vavoom: bye janor!
Lyr Lobo: thank you! I'll check the log later ...have fun!
jokay Wollongong: hehe... *yawn*... time for sleep ;-) thanks corwin.. thanks everyone ;-)
Lyr Lobo: feel welcome to contact me if you need information
Heidi TeeCee: Bye Lyr and Janor
Sue Keen: heidi and corwin, thanks so much. i look forward to seeing more on the wiki...
Lyr Lobo waves goodye
Corwin Carillon: thanks Jokay
totally Vavoom: bye lyr, jokay
Heidi TeeCee: ok Sue
Corwin Carillon: bye Sue!
jokay Wollongong: well done corwin.. looking forward to the next one ;-)
totally Vavoom: bye sue
Heidi TeeCee: Bye jokay
totally Vavoom: so any suggestions yet on setting NMC as home?
Corwin Carillon: have no idea ... :(
Corwin Carillon: it worked for me too
Professor Beliveau: /mine tells me I can only set to orientation island or land I own
Corwin Carillon: hmm
Corwin Carillon: are you set to NMC as a group when you set home?
Davee Commerce: same here - only land you own or the mainland
totally Vavoom: yep, me too
Heidi TeeCee: hmmmm... Corwin, we should mention this to Larry
Corwin Carillon: i mean is the one of the NMC groups active when you set
totally Vavoom: well, mine came on automatically when i got here, i didn't set it to buzz agitator
Davee Commerce: doesnt make any difference (NMC Guests)
Corwin Carillon: NMC guest won;t work I suspect ...
Professor Beliveau: /yes.... I just tired it...
Troy McLuhan: The land *does* allow you to create landmarks, so that's not the problem...
Professor Beliveau: /set to member
Corwin Carillon: ok where we ... I've lost the thread! :)
Professor Beliveau: /yes... I have a landmark, but it's easier to click home than to hunt for the mark
Heidi TeeCee: I'm not sure where we are myself
Corwin Carillon: we were talking about follow up activities....
Troy McLuhan: This land is deeded to the group "NMC Faculty"
Corwin Carillon: so maybe lets move on to one last question together and then call it a day ...
totally Vavoom: sounds good corwin
Heidi TeeCee: sounds good
Corwin Carillon: What in-world tools/resources have you found useful? Other online tools (e.g. skype)?
Davee Commerce: skype, ventrilo
Corwin Carillon: for doing orientations I mean
Professor Beliveau: Beginners' Guide to Second Life http://secondlife.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BGSL
Davee Commerce: phone (RL)
Professor Beliveau: /nmc uses teamspeex
Troy McLuhan: The flight band / flight feather / flight assist devices are very useful
Professor Beliveau: I'd like to use it for these sessions sometime
totally Vavoom: waht is the flight band etc troy?
Heidi TeeCee: Yes, what is that
Davee Commerce: TP is very handy when you lose people
Corwin Carillon: hear you Ed and Alan will read it in the transcript :)
Troy McLuhan: They let you fly faster and higher than default
Professor Beliveau: /I also read an aggregator blog about sl http://planet.worldofsl.com/
Professor Beliveau: /helps me keep up with goings on
Corwin Carillon: what makes it useful for orientations Troy?
Corwin Carillon: thx Ed
Corwin Carillon: In addition to in-world resources, did you need to prepare any yourself (handouts, etc.)? Would you be willing to share those?
Professor Beliveau: /I have a word document
Flight Band: All Go
totally Vavoom: tks troy!
Professor Beliveau: that runs two pages
Corwin Carillon: I know Jokay produced and in-world comic book and a pdf for dressing your avatar
Professor Beliveau: introduces SL, NMC, then my class
Professor Beliveau: info, not lessons.
Heidi TeeCee: We are making some now ... we would be willing to share when they are done ... we are
Professor Beliveau: but it explains things to non users
Heidi TeeCee: using the comic book format to match Jokays
totally Vavoom: i've been linking to a lot of blogs as well on the class delicious site which is waht we use as readings for our class
totally Vavoom: but i'd love to see he "comic books"
totally Vavoom: *the
Corwin Carillon: the other thing I've seen which can be used are one or two of the Secrets of Second Life screencasts/vodcasts
Corwin Carillon: or maybe they are machinima-casts!
Corwin Carillon: I'll see if I can find a link totally
Troy McLuhan: I watched a "Secrets of Second Life" video podcast and thought it was quite good
totally Vavoom: googled it corwin, tks :-)
Heidi TeeCee: yes, a link would be helpful ... let me see if I can find the link to jokays
Professor Beliveau: /thanks for the session gang... gotta fly. peace. see you next time or in sl
Troy McLuhan: You can subscribe to it with iTunes
Heidi TeeCee: by Professor
Heidi TeeCee: bye
Heidi TeeCee: bye Professor
Corwin Carillon: bye Ed
Davee Commerce: have to go too. Bye everyone.
Troy McLuhan: Bye Davee
Corwin Carillon: bye Davee
totally Vavoom: bye davee
Heidi TeeCee: bye Davee
totally Vavoom: link to jokays would be great heidi. maybe we can post these at the wiki as well?
Heidi TeeCee: yes, I am looking
Corwin Carillon: it is linked on the wiki already
totally Vavoom: well, time for me to vamanos as well, stomach needs fuel ;-)
totally Vavoom: awesome corwin!
Corwin Carillon: under teachers certification... the nmc wiki
Heidi TeeCee: oh, ok
Troy McLuhan: When do you suppose the next Buzz Session will be?
totally Vavoom: this was great, as always
Corwin Carillon: should be in 2 weeks
Heidi TeeCee: isn't going to be every two weeks?
Troy McLuhan: Ok
totally Vavoom: so once every two weeks is the idea right now?
Corwin Carillon: I think we should call it a rap folks
Corwin Carillon: at least for me :)
Troy McLuhan: Great, cheers!
Farley Scarborough: Thanks all for a great session. A little overwhelming.
Corwin Carillon: it's 1.17am
totally Vavoom: me too! this was great, wonderful resources
Heidi TeeCee: ok ... yes, a lot of conversations going on at once ...
Corwin Carillon: yes chaordic!
totally Vavoom: well, it "is" informal
Troy McLuhan: The trick is to have multiple personalities to follow all the threads
Corwin Carillon: lol
Heidi TeeCee: oh no ...
totally Vavoom: helps if you are pisces, you get 13 then
Farley Scarborough: lol
totally Vavoom: 12 actually
Corwin Carillon:
Troy McLuhan: Bye!
Heidi TeeCee: Did we lose Corwin?
totally Vavoom: adios everybody ahve a great rest of the holiday weekend
Corwin Carillon: no
Farley Scarborough: bye all
Corwin Carillon: at least I hope not
Corwin Carillon: bye farley
Corwin Carillon: ok, time to see if the chat recorded
Heidi TeeCee: that was a lot ... I kept getting bumped out ... sorry about that
Corwin Carillon: sorry you have so much trouble
The meeting closed at 10:20 Linden time.
