Teachers Buzz 6 Feb 07 Transcript
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- Feb 5, 2007, 9:00 AM PST
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[9:01] CDB Barkley: Welcome to a (crowded) NCM Campus Teachers Buzz
[9:01] CDB Barkley: NMC
[9:02] CDB Barkley: We meet every 2 weeks in world for discussions, tours, etc, related to teaching in this place
[9:02] CDB Barkley: Who here is coming for the first time?
[9:02] Nethermind Bliss raises her hand
[9:02] Brainy Aleixandre: me too
[9:02] HVX Silverstar: I am coming for the first time... HVX
[9:02] Butch Dae: Me too
[9:02] Rebis Hokkigai: me too
[9:02] Alice Burgess: I am
[9:02] Tomas Brevity: I am also
[9:02] CDB Barkley: You can find past meeting info at http://www.nmc.org/campus/Teachers_Buzz_Session
[9:02] Maggie Bleriot: Me too.
[9:02] Dav Hian: me
[9:02] Pablo Paz: My first time
[9:02] Sweetpea Sunnyside: Me, too
[9:02] CDB Barkley: Welcome
[9:02] Aidenn Brooks: Me too
[9:02] Orion Moo: I'm here for the first time
[9:02] Ravenelle Zugzwang: it's my first time
[9:02] Tomas Brevity: lot's of first timers ;)
[9:03] draggin Yao: yo yo newb here
[9:03] CDB Barkley: Typical
[9:03] Lyr Lobo: Welcome *smiles*
[9:03] Gudand Hao: thanks all of you for dropping in
[9:03] CDB Barkley: We have a special guest here
[9:03] CDB Barkley: and we'll give him the stage to chat a few words shortly
[9:03] CDB Barkley: But first off all
[9:04] CDB Barkley: What experience do you all have with digital storytelling?
[9:04] Maggie Bleriot: Lots
[9:04] CDB Barkley: And what makes you interested in how it might work in SL?
[9:04] Lyr Lobo: Loads
[9:04] Dav Hian: zero for me.
[9:04] Loretta Lobo: I saw the CLeveland examples---but for that...not so much
[9:04] Kiev Bailey: very interested.
[9:04] Heidi TeeCee: A lot for me
[9:04] TC Kolache is Offline
[9:04] CDB Barkley: How about regular storytelling?
[9:04] Enjay Ellison: none
[9:04] Aidenn Brooks: Zero here also
[9:04] CDB Barkley: We all have stories
[9:04] Taliesin Balhaus: Just did a workshop on that
[9:05] Pirate Shipman: I'm more interested in storytelling as an element of instructional design and communication in general
[9:05] Lyr Lobo: Storytelling is a marvelous experience for both the storyteller and the listener... want to hear more of how one augments it in this multisensory environment...
[9:05] Robins Hermano: I've been to a few of his workshops at Univeristy of Central Florida
[9:05] HVX Silverstar: Using stories in an instructional setting... with video
[9:05] Pablo Paz: I was involved in some DS projects in ESL at Univ of Illinois some years ago. The stories were used for content for lessons.
[9:05] Pirate Shipman: I think in SL, we have some great opportunities to leverage the environment to support such storytelling.
[9:05] CDB Barkley: Great!
[9:06] CDB Barkley: Let's give a big NMC welcome to Gudand Hao, and let him stand up and say hello
[9:06] Kiev Bailey: It's a wonderful tool but the script for it either brakes or makes your story
[9:06] Gudand Hao: hey there folks and thanks for coming
[9:06] Kiev Bailey: It's a wonderful tool but the script for it either brakes or makes your story
[9:06] Gudand Hao: hey there folks and thanks for coming
[9:06] Nethermind Bliss applauds
[9:06] Farley Scarborough applauds
[9:06] CDB Barkley: We have a short audio interview with Gudand at http://www.nmc.org/sl/2007/01/24/sl-digital-storytelling-interview-with-gudand-hao/
[9:06] Gudand Hao: So I feel like I am trying to herd avatars,
[9:07] Nethermind Bliss: baaaaaa
[9:07] Kip Yellowjacket: lol
[9:07] Kip Yellowjacket: :)
[9:07] Gudand Hao: but if folks could settle in perhaps I could start by discussing a bit of background
[9:07] Gudand Hao: I have worked with a number of NMC folks
[9:07] Amy Wiggins: Whew! Hi!
[9:07] Gudand Hao: And it is great to meet your avatars at least again
[9:08] Gudand Hao: I am curious about how many don't know what we mean by digitla storytelling
[9:08] Gudand Hao: anyone
[9:08] Gudand Hao: okay
[9:08] Beppe Abruzzo: yo
[9:08] Ravenelle Zugzwang: how is it defined?
[9:08] Enjay Ellison: not sure
[9:08] Corwin Carillon: oops
[9:08] Ravenelle Zugzwang: maybe we all think we know
[9:08] Chawan : Mmmm, delicious green cha made in the ceremonial Japanese tradition, Loretta Lobo, so refreshing!
[9:08] draggin Yao: ummm does it imply some kind of 'interactive narrative'?
[9:08] Davee Commerce: hiya Troy
[9:09] Chawan : Mmm..
[9:09] Troy McLuhan: :)
[9:09] Gudand Hao: Just as a short intro, digital storytelling has two meanings
[9:09] Gudand Hao: at least
[9:09] Professor Beliveau: I think of non-linearity . . . user involvement . . .
[9:09] Chawan : Mmm..
[9:09] Chawan : Mmm..
[9:09] Gudand Hao: the first is a geneeral interest in new media and story
[9:09] Chawan : Mmm..
[9:09] Gudand Hao: that is both the issues of interactivity, and the ways the tools change communication in story
[9:09] Chawan : Mmm..
[9:10] Gudand Hao: the other has come to be attached to a practice by our center in berkely
[9:10] Chawan : Mmm..
[9:10] Gudand Hao: that helps people produce small 2-3 minute perosnla films
[9:10] Chawan : Don't you feel at one with nature now, Loretta Lobo so peaceful and relaxed.
[9:10] CDB Barkley: http://www.storycenter.org/
[9:10] Gudand Hao: I don't think one privileges the other, but just as an example
[9:11] Gudand Hao: I think in second life you c ould have media exchanges, as in sharing alreaddy created stories
[9:11] Gudand Hao: or you could have folks collaborate to create and perform stories here
[9:11] Chocolate Tuxedo Strawberries: Enjoy your chocolate covered strawberry, Loretta Lobo!
[9:11] CDB Barkley: Doesn;t traditional storytelling hinge on feedback from the audience?
[9:11] Gudand Hao: My main interest is could you hold story circles here,
[9:12] Nethermind Bliss: there have been story circles in SL done on a weekly basis
[9:12] Gudand Hao: could you get people to reflect on a considered narrative and find a way to get intimate about the story
[9:12] Gudand Hao: telll me aobut that nevermind
[9:13] Nethermind Bliss: well, if I understood you correctly, a story circle in which each person participates and contributes to the narrative, and then each successive contributor incorporates those changes in the narrative
[9:13] Nethermind Bliss: Phoenix Spa had this as a weekly feature, run by Persephone Phoenix
[9:13] Ravenelle Zugzwang: I've been to those too but then they turned x rated and I stopped going
[9:13] Gudand Hao: That is one type of circle
[9:13] Nethermind Bliss: some of them were, yes, but that still remains viable
[9:13] Enjay Ellison: I've also participated in that kind of story circle here
[9:13] Ravenelle Zugzwang: yes, just not for me really
[9:14] Gudand Hao: I was thinking more about how to help each infdividual tell thier own story
[9:14] Nethermind Bliss: ah, please continue, sorry :)
[9:14] Gudand Hao: no, the issue for those folks who have taken our workshops
[9:14] Gudand Hao: is that we are trying to peel back layers of meaning
[9:15] Gudand Hao: and that I have believed requires reading body language
[9:15] Gudand Hao: as much as words and expressions
[9:15] Gudand Hao: can you do that in the virutal environment
[9:15] Gudand Hao: that is an open quesiton
[9:15] Kip Yellowjacket: hmmmin a limited way perhaps
[9:16] Enjay Ellison: I think yes, but it would have to be scripted as much as the story
[9:16] Troy McLuhan: Yay
[9:16] CDB Barkley: There is telling stories IN second life, vs telling stories WITH Secind life...
[9:16] Nethermind Bliss: the body language that normally comes from this kind of thing would be spontaneous, movement and expression not purposefully initiated... that would be a real challenge in a world where your animations are deliberate
[9:16] Troy McLuhan: hello
[9:16] CDB Barkley: In RL we are often unaware of our animations
[9:16] Nethermind Bliss: exactly, CDB
[9:16] CDB Barkley: not as deliberate
[9:17] Kip Yellowjacket: well put
[9:17] Gudand Hao: but what about intimacy around personal issues, is it better because of avatars
[9:17] Tomas Brevity: how do you mean hao?
[9:17] Kip Yellowjacket: helps some 4 sure...2 open up
[9:18] Nethermind Bliss: a scripter could feasibly write an animation overrider that selects from a group of emotive responses, based on a mood that you could select, to imitate spontaneity
[9:18] HVX Silverstar: I think in a good story, we see the people not the avatars
[9:18] Gudand Hao: I mean that in our workshops, we are working people's stories to an emotional core
[9:18] CDB Barkley: People are less vulnerable here?
[9:18] Gudand Hao: and this process requires attentiveness
[9:18] CDB Barkley: to emotion?
[9:18] Deanna Lancaster: you mean that we are able to "hide behind our avs" in that we can remain anonymous
[9:19] Deanna Lancaster: but we can let our emotions show because of the anonymity
[9:19] Larry Pixel: We have a new attendance record for Teacher's Buzz! 65 avs are here!
[9:19] Loo Buwan: I don't think so.
[9:19] Gudand Hao: and awareness about how far or not far to go
[9:19] CDB Barkley: It's a choice we make
[9:19] Gudand Hao: another question, is anyone doing legitimate therapy or psycho analysis in SL
[9:19] Nethermind Bliss: I think that anonymity is just one reason why people are "freer" in a virtual world
[9:19] Loretta Lobo: character develop for a story can be developed I think as well in an environment like this..
[9:20] CDB Barkley: Maybe the question is how to we get to the meaningful spot that happens in the DS workshops?
[9:20] Icabad Vallejo: flying by map ain't the most courteous
[9:20] LoriVonne Lustre: :-)
[9:20] HVX Silverstar: Not me, but a faculty member from UC Davis where I work is doing the virtual hallucinations
[9:20] CDB Barkley: That is a great one
[9:20] Kip Yellowjacket: hmm sounds groovy:)
[9:20] LoriVonne Lustre: that is a good one
[9:20] HVX Silverstar: for family members to experience same as their family member with schizo...
[9:20] Gudand Hao: I think this is a virtual hullucination!
[9:20] Nethermind Bliss: is that associated with, right :)
[9:20] HVX Silverstar: ha... great story
[9:20] Rebis Hokkigai: psychoanalysis? I think of Eliza
[9:20] Tomas Brevity: haha
[9:21] LoriVonne Lustre: there is a psychologist offering social anxiety work groups here
[9:21] Gudand Hao: But the human factor in storytelling is about listening both for the performer and the teller, like right now I can't see any of your eyes
[9:21] Nethermind Bliss: true
[9:22] Lyr Lobo: We have a good range of gestures, animations and emotes for sharing nonverbal cues
[9:22] Gudand Hao: if I was performing, I would know which of you are falling asleep
[9:22] Alexandria Knight: That makes it tough
[9:22] Gudand Hao: and which of you are with me
[9:22] Lyr Lobo chuckles and nods
[9:22] Gudand Hao: and I wuold adjust the story
[9:22] Nethermind Bliss: but as with most text chat online, there is metalanguage that we respond with, if we are "participants" in the experience
[9:22] Gudand Hao: that makes sense
[9:22] Troy McLuhan: :)
[9:22] LoriVonne Lustre: :-)
[9:22] Alexandria Knight: Is there a way to ask avatars to raise their hands in answer to a question?
[9:22] Alexandria Knight: Like, "Are you with me?"
[9:22] Alexandria Knight: Like, "Are you with me?"
[9:22] Nethermind Bliss: I think the intimacy in SL is created first from the text, and underscored by the visual cues of avatars
[9:23] Ravenelle Zugzwang listens , scanning my eyes over the speakers blue shirt, jeans and flip flops.
[9:23] Nethermind Bliss: and a sense of "place"
[9:23] North Lamar: re:raising hands - i have students place a "!" when they raise their hands
[9:23] Professor Beliveau: mary beth has a "hands up animation " that can be loaded in an object/box
[9:23] Gudand Hao: Alexandria, do you have a question
[9:23] Deanna Lancaster: there is also software for the avs to speak
[9:23] Alexandria Knight: Oh, it would be great to have that animcation--raise hands
[9:23] LoriVonne Lustre: Hey!
[9:24] Gudand Hao: other thoughts or questions
[9:24] Tomas Brevity: ever heard of secondtalk? ;)
[9:24] Alexandria Knight: No
[9:24] CDB Barkley: It;s a matter of time until voice capability is in the client of SL
[9:24] LoriVonne Lustre: Second talk uses skype though
[9:24] Alexandria Knight: It would be good to have that too
[9:24] AngryBeth Shortbread: marybeth?
[9:24] Deanna Lancaster: i was just meeting with the creator of dejavu software
[9:23] Gudand Hao: Alexandria, do you have a question
[9:23] Larry Pixel: it is located at the corner of 4 sims
[9:23] Deanna Lancaster: there is also software for the avs to speak
[9:23] Alexandria Knight: Oh, it would be great to have that animcation--raise hands
[9:23] LoriVonne Lustre: Hey!
[9:24] Gudand Hao: other thoughts or questions
[9:24] Tomas Brevity: ever heard of secondtalk? ;)
[9:24] Alexandria Knight: No
[9:24] CDB Barkley: It;s a matter of time until voice capability is in the client of SL
[9:24] LoriVonne Lustre: Second talk uses skype though
[9:24] Alexandria Knight: It would be good to have that too
[9:24] AngryBeth Shortbread: marybeth?
[9:24] Deanna Lancaster: i was just meeting with the creator of dejavu software
[9:24] Beppe Abruzzo: Yes, we need filters -- it's noisey here right now; visually cluttered
[9:24] Tomas Brevity: av's who walk around with an headset, linked to skype, when you're near such an av, you can speak automatically trough secondtalk
[9:24] LoriVonne Lustre: and skype is limited in the number of participants
[9:25] Nethermind Bliss: I think there are ways we can achieve intimacy within storytelling that won't necessarily be imitative of RL scenarios that work to that... in other words, it's a new world, with new tools, maybe we can think outside the box
[9:25] Ravenelle Zugzwang: it would be a lot noisier if everyone was talking on voice
[9:25] Loretta Lobo: I think at least audio would facilitate Storytelling in SL
[9:25] Troy McLuhan: To turn off all the chat bubbles, go to top menu - Edit - Preferences - General - Show Names - Never - Apply
[9:25] CDB Barkley: So how might teachers use stories in SL?
[9:25] Beppe Abruzzo: ! Raise hand to speak w/audio
[9:25] Loretta Lobo: I see how the "teller" can get disconnected---
[9:26] Nethermind Bliss has History up to better handle the chat :)
[9:26] Loretta Lobo: metaphorically speaking
[9:26] HVX Silverstar: I have seen some third-party camera demos in SL where the camera-person takes video of themself... and has a talking animation.. close up.. it is very effective and would work well in a story
[9:26] Gudand Hao: At moments like these I would like to tap dance, maybe I could do that in scond life
[9:26] CDB Barkley: or tango
[9:26] Nethermind Bliss: sure you can, if you know Poser :)
[9:26] Rebis Hokkigai: video and sonic clutter is still a problem
[9:26] Nethermind Bliss: or someone who does hehe
[9:26] LoriVonne Lustre: sure you could
[9:26] HVX Silverstar: camera example: Guegan Studios... very talented from s. Florida
[9:27] Troy McLuhan: Maybe someone could hand Gudand a tapdance animation?
[9:27] Gudand Hao: Thanks
[9:27] ElizabethAnne Barth: I would be interested in audio being used as the typing is moving quite fast
[9:27] LoriVonne Lustre: all I have is belly dance
[9:27] LoriVonne Lustre: ha!
[9:27] CDB Barkley: So Gudand is a world expert in storytelling--- what questions to you have regarding bringing that activity into SL?
[9:28] Beppe Abruzzo: A lectern or dias would be nice; too me minutes to find Gudand's avatar
[9:28] Gudand Hao: I am happy to prognosticate, but it is nice to think there is a lot fo expertise here
[9:28] Alexandria Knight: In teaching, how would you use it, say just as a snippet of an assignment? Oral (or chat) I mean
[9:28] Pablo Paz: I would like to use SL as an environment to present digital stories. I could imagine a group of students creating DS in RL, and gathering in SL to present stories and get feedback.
[9:28] HVX Silverstar: Other than superimposing RL clips with SL clips, do you see a way to weave both together visually and in the script?
[9:28] Gudand Hao: first alex andria
[9:28] CDB Barkley: What about machiima as doing DS in SL?
[9:29] Gudand Hao: I think most people view DS as a space btween powerpoint and fillm
[9:29] Gudand Hao: in the classroom that means it allows people to use
[9:29] Gudand Hao: the exxpressive medium of film
[9:29] Gudand Hao: without the production process
[9:29] Gudand Hao: for short assignments in clasrooms
[9:29] Gudand Hao: this can prove
[9:29] Gudand Hao: this can prove
[9:29] Gudand Hao: very powerful
[9:29] Corwin Carillon: hmmm much more than ppt in the way you use it in CDS
[9:30] Nethermind Bliss: is there a URL for an example of these? assuming that they are persistent?
[9:30] HVX Silverstar: Lindens appear to have throught through the film, HD video and dv and web with all of their at choices with SL built in machinima in viewer
[9:30] Alexandria Knight: Yes, it sounds good. Do you have some techniques to share and tools?
[9:30] Gudand Hao: To see examples
[9:30] Nethermind Bliss: yes, thanks :)
[9:30] Gudand Hao: you can go many places,
[9:30] Beppe Abruzzo: Powerpoint and film? What about "live' performance? Or is that being abandoned?
[9:30] Gudand Hao: http://www.bbc.co.uk/digitalstorytelling is perhaps the best
[9:31] Deanna Lancaster: would it be possible to use the snapshots we take with PhotoStory andiPhoto
[9:31] Sleestak Mycron: It's been around for a while, but Michael Joyce's StorySpace embodies a lot of these ideas.
[9:31] Nethermind Bliss: thanks :)
[9:31] Gudand Hao: I thiink the ideas of good storytleling, that is
[9:31] Gudand Hao: the ability to create empathy and emotional connnection
[9:31] Gudand Hao: is still a holy grail for interactive storytelling
[9:32] TC Kolache is Online
[9:32] Nethermind Bliss nods
[9:32] CDB Barkley is Offline
[9:32] Gudand Hao: Hypertext works made the issue of narrative closure
[9:32] Gudand Hao: abstract in the extrem
[9:32] Gudand Hao: which was fine for postmodernists
[9:32] Gudand Hao: but for most of us we enjoy the last kiss
[9:32] Gudand Hao: I think there are models for
[9:33] Gudand Hao: interactive storytelling
[9:33] HVX Silverstar: I believe silver bells and golden... linden's machinima -- did that with emotion in the poetry
[9:33] Gudand Hao: with emotional power
[9:33] Nethermind Bliss: what a great image
[9:33] CDB Barkley is Online
[9:33] Gudand Hao: poetry may in fact
[9:33] Gudand Hao: be the best
[9:33] Gudand Hao: metaphor
[9:33] Nethermind Bliss: could the many poetry open mic nights in SL offer
[9:33] Gudand Hao: I think this is a great process for our short film projects
[9:37] TC Kolache is Online
[9:37] Deanna Lancaster: i'm the most familiar with her work, especially due to the actress that travels and does keynotes, i forget her name
[9:38] CDB Barkley: \8 we have 65+ avatars in Second Life listening to Gudand Hao on storytelling
[9:38] Gudand Hao: in fact the idea of taking a little condensed snaphots of one's learning, and one's life
[9:38] Gudand Hao: is really at the heart of this process
[9:38] Gudand Hao: it requires a great
[9:38] Gudand Hao: deal of work to condnese one's ideas
[9:38] Gudand Hao: and to find the real connection to one's own
[9:38] Gudand Hao: story, one
[9:38] Gudand Hao: s own lived experience
[9:39] Miulew Takahe: excuse for coming in so late in this discussion - but are you discussing Digital Storytelling as the original that came up in SF in -93?... http://www.storycenter.org/
[9:39] Kip Yellowjacket: yes:)
[9:39] Gudand Hao: Miulew, yes that is when we started
[9:39] Miulew Takahe: ok, nice
[9:39] Gudand Hao: So what do people think, if we were to do this again, I would want to see if we could
[9:40] Gudand Hao: break into smaller groups after an initial discussion, and then come
[9:40] Gudand Hao: back together again
[9:40] CDB Barkley: Good ideas
[9:40] Gudand Hao: this feels like so many of you are not
[9:40] Beppe Abruzzo: We need to call room service and order a bigger room.
[9:40] Gudand Hao: able to contribute
[9:40] CDB Barkley: or maybe try a storycircle (s)
[9:40] Gudand Hao: Anyway,
[9:40] Icabad Vallejo: i think we need to be arranged in a circle
[9:40] CDB Barkley: What does the audience say?
[9:41] ElizabethAnne Barth: Yes, that would be good. This is my first time and I am not sure about the location setup. It's informal which is great, but not structured enviornment
[9:41] Miulew Takahe: i am very interesting in taking part in further discussions
[9:41] Story Homewood: yes, smaller groups would be less chaotic
[9:41] Icabad Vallejo: i have one of those floating seating areas we could try now
[9:41] Gudand Hao: that is a chllenge
[9:41] Alexandria Knight: Is there a way to have a main chat for the speaker and a side chat for comments & questions?
[9:41] Story Homewood: or some moderation
[9:41] Nethermind Bliss: I'd love to participate, thanks :)
[9:41] Icabad Vallejo: and decka's deck allows for 30 people to break out into groups of 6
[9:41] Nethermind Bliss: moderation would work best with this
[9:41] Dick Witte: Groups is a good idea. Need landmarks. I am hanging out near the coffee to meet my colleagues.
[9:41] ElizabethAnne Barth: Yes, that would be good. This is my first time and I am not sure about the location setup. It's informal which is great, but not structured enviornment
[9:41] Miulew Takahe: i am very interesting in taking part in further discussions
[9:41] Story Homewood: yes, smaller groups would be less chaotic
[9:41] Icabad Vallejo: i have one of those floating seating areas we could try now
[9:41] Gudand Hao: that is a chllenge
[9:41] Alexandria Knight: Is there a way to have a main chat for the speaker and a side chat for comments & questions?
[9:41] Story Homewood: or some moderation
[9:41] Nethermind Bliss: I'd love to participate, thanks :)
[9:41] Icabad Vallejo: and decka's deck allows for 30 people to break out into groups of 6
[9:41] Nethermind Bliss: moderation would work best with this
[9:41] Dick Witte: Groups is a good idea. Need landmarks. I am hanging out near the coffee to meet my colleagues.
[9:41] Tomas Brevity: also want to particp
[9:41] Tomas Brevity: participate
[9:41] Kip Yellowjacket: me 2
[9:41] Icabad Vallejo: need the hand-raising script too
[9:41] CDB Barkley: Great feedback...
[9:41] Heidi TeeCee: me also
[9:42] Enjay Ellison: Maybe we could all consider possibilities and further questions in small groups, bring them back--that wold be easier.
[9:42] Kisa Naumova is quite happy just listening
[9:42] Nethermind Bliss: Enjay, I like your idea
[9:42] Khadijah Burali: Couldn't we just separate into groups around here?
[9:42] CDB Barkley: FYI, we really set these sessions up to be loosely structured
[9:42] Mabel Steinhoff: thank youuuuuu, Corwin!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[9:42] Icabad Vallejo: hard to manage the groups separation... also hard to follow just speaker without mgmnt
[9:42] Alys Obviate: afk
[9:42] Ravenelle Zugzwang: opening your chat history window makes the scroll much more manageable
[9:42] CDB Barkley: "(second) Life comes at you fast"
[9:42] Nethermind Bliss: yep
[9:43] Lyr Lobo: I like the loosely structured, open forum
[9:43] Tomas Brevity: nice one barkley
[9:43] Nethermind Bliss: yay for CTRL H
[9:43] Icabad Vallejo: in storytelling, ONE person tells the story... the rest listen!
[9:43] Khadijah Burali: CDB, you are a victim of your success!
[9:43] Gudand Hao: Seems like we are talking about how to talk
[9:43] Nethermind Bliss: not my story, Icabad! :)
[9:43] Gudand Hao: so why don't I tell
[9:43] Gudand Hao: a story
[9:43] Icabad Vallejo: "let me tell you a story..."
[9:43] CDB Barkley: YEAH!
[9:43] Icabad Vallejo: good idea!
[9:43] Ravenelle Zugzwang: yay!
[9:43] Enjay Ellison: I'd also like to see further discussion n how to apply this practically... an English course would d it differently than a design course tha....
[9:43] Misha Writer: Thank you Ravanelle
[9:43] Icabad Vallejo: everybody listen!
[9:43] Lyr Lobo: hmm in my stories, I start them and draw my students into the story... as I want them to be part of it and to help fashion it
[9:43] Nethermind Bliss listens
[9:43] Farley Scarborough: yes, tell
[9:43] CDB Barkley: Shhh
[9:43] Lyr Lobo listens
[9:43] ElizabethAnne Barth: Yes it all ihappening fast. Perhaps on2/two main speaksers is best, I know it's traditional but sometimes thats what works
[9:43] Gudand Hao: So folks, in seond life no one has cancer
[9:44] Gudand Hao: this is a marvel
[9:44] CDB Barkley sits back quietly
[9:44] Miulew Takahe: i see there are some 2nd talkers out here - -that can also be a way of discussing things further
[9:44] Tomas Brevity too
[9:44] Gudand Hao: in real life, many of us are affected by this disease, our friends our loved ones
[9:44] ElizabethAnne Barth: and a hands up approach somehow to speaking. It sounds formal / reverting back to trad classroom but these group sessions need SOME structure!?
[9:44] Gudand Hao: Right now my colleague Danie's wife has cancer
[9:45] Gudand Hao: I tell this to try and suggest a role for second life
[9:45] Gudand Hao: he and his wife having been blogging their experience
[9:45] Gudand Hao: http://luchalee.wordpress.com
[9:45] Gudand Hao: there story has a huge resonating power because it is immediate and powerful
[9:46] Gudand Hao: and raw
[9:46] Gudand Hao: It suggest that since all of us
[9:46] Gudand Hao: are mortal beings
[9:46] Gudand Hao: we really nee spaces to connect
[9:46] Gudand Hao: we find that the spaces of virtual exchange
[9:46] Yunomi (WEAR me!) whispers: Ryokucha ga Hairimashita!
[9:47] Gudand Hao: provide a really extraordinary way for folks to providee comfort to each other
[9:47] Gudand Hao: I am sure there are numerous kids and adults that are experimenting with
[9:47] Kip Yellowjacket: so the words have meaning
[9:47] Gudand Hao: virutal environments for ehaling
[9:47] Kip Yellowjacket: and r not just exchanges
[9:47] Gudand Hao: healing
[9:47] Kip Yellowjacket: yes
[9:47] Gudand Hao: I know of Hopeworks in Palo Alto for examples
[9:47] Gudand Hao: working with kids with cancer
[9:47] Kip Yellowjacket: met one yesteday
[9:47] Kalea Hynes: Yes, I had a student in my online class. Her husband had cancer and was going through checmotherapy.
[9:47] Mabel Steinhoff: healing...? sounds great!
[9:48] Troy McLuhan: There is an island in SL, named SupportForHealing... where people (REAL people) meet to support each other. There is also the sim named Dreams...
[9:48] Kip Yellowjacket: heart problems
[9:48] Troy McLuhan: There is an island in SL, named SupportForHealing... where people (REAL people) meet to support each other. There is also the sim named Dreams...
[9:48] Kip Yellowjacket: heart problems
[9:48] Corwin Carillon: feyneworks in melbourne
[9:48] Khadijah Burali: I have started see support groups on SL for people with depression, and I have have attended church services and meetings where people share prayer requests and testimonies.
[9:48] Gudand Hao: this is where storytlelinig makes a huge difference
[9:48] Deanna Lancaster: there is a relay for life here as well
[9:48] Kalea Hynes: Other students began using the discussion board to support her. It was amazing how my online class came together around her.
[9:48] Ninmah Ash is Online
[9:48] Nethermind Bliss: I've helped with that, Deanna, good stuff :)
[9:48] Enjay Ellison: I was recently at a vigil held inworld for someone who was ill. There was storytelling as part of that. Many people came, and it was very moving.
[9:49] Gudand Hao: I suggest that this is where we all need to find our stories
[9:49] Gudand Hao: in those moments of crisis and survival
[9:49] Loretta Lobo: Aren't fictional stories compelling and emotional?
[9:49] Gudand Hao: of course fiction is the
[9:49] Gudand Hao: way to tell the hardest stories
[9:49] Gudand Hao: and find our way to the illusion of the greatest intimacy
[9:50] Gudand Hao: but folks need the
[9:50] Gudand Hao: truth
[9:50] Gudand Hao: a bit
[9:50] Gudand Hao: at a time
[9:50] Gudand Hao: to confront life
[9:50] Gudand Hao: anyway, these are my thoughts of the moment
[9:51] Tomas Brevity: is SL a perfect tool to tell the hardest stories?
[9:51] CDB Barkley: or wildest ones?
[9:51] Khadijah Burali: I would like to share an experience.
[9:51] Maggie Bleriot: Please do
[9:52] AngryBeth Shortbread: don't mix up the medium and the message
[9:52] Khadijah Burali: On the night Saddam Hussein was executed, I went to the Reuters chatroom to see whether people wouldcome there to talk about it.
[9:52] HVX Silverstar: but ... it is the message...mcluhan
[9:53] Khadijah Burali: I had an extended conversation with a young Iranian grad student
[9:54] Khadijah Burali: He shared his memories of growing up in Iran duringthe Iran-Iraq war, and asked questions about Americans
[9:54] Khadijah Burali: We were able to talk to each other about things that are difficult to discuss in person.
[9:54] ElizabethAnne Barth: Thees' Floating Seats are a wonderful idea! It was too crowded down there
[9:55] CDB Barkley: Well, let's hear some loud applause (if you feel like it) for Gudand's session
[9:55] Tomas Brevity cheers
[9:55] ElizabethAnne Barth: Bravo
[9:55] Ravenelle Zugzwang: *clapping, clapping clapping*
[9:55] Larry Pixel: yay!@!!
[9:55] Sean McDunnough: /clap
[9:55] Scarlett Qi chaps! Yay!
[9:55] Ravenelle Zugzwang: excellent!!
[9:55] Ruminate Rutabaga: huzzah!
[9:55] Enjay Ellison claps
[9:55] CDB Barkley: We hear your remarks about wanting more/less structure, etc
[9:55] Gudand Hao: cna we let k finish
[9:55] Icabad Vallejo: how do you clap, lol
[9:55] Corwin Carillon: yay! gudand
[9:55] Alys Obviate: cheers!
[9:55] Kip Yellowjacket: am listening khadijah
[9:55] CDB Barkley: And we maxed out our sim today at 65
[9:55] Loretta Lobo: /clap
[9:55] Alexandria Knight: Yay!
[9:55] Corwin Carillon: type
[9:55] Dick Witte: /clap
[9:55] Taliesin Balhaus: Good session!
[9:56] Khadijah Burali: Thanks Kip
[9:56] Nethermind Bliss: thanks all! time for me to run
[9:56] Loretta Lobo: thanks
[9:56] Loretta Lobo: Im inspired
[9:56] Kip Yellowjacket: are welistening guys?
[9:56] Butch Dae: Really interesting
[9:56] Gudand Hao: thanks, but I will wait for the end of the story
[9:56] CDB Barkley: We are planning a follow up to this in 2 weeks, 6pm PST
[9:56] Icabad Vallejo: i'm listening...
[9:56] Khadijah Burali: That was all I wanted to share
[9:56] Corwin Carillon: everyone ... we will get the chat up on the wiki in the next day or so
[9:56] Kisa Naumova: Cool. Cheers guys
[9:56] CDB Barkley: Maybe we can try small group session idea.
[9:56] Gudand Hao: Thanks then, and what a great thing
[9:56] ElizabethAnne Barth: Please do keep us all informed on the SLED of any upcoming discussions
[9:57] Gudand Hao: I am happy to do a follow-up small group at some time
[9:57] Corwin Carillon: we will but also check out the nmc blog
[9:57] CDB Barkley: Will do, we have Tab Scott on march 5
[9:57] Tomas Brevity: corwin, I can look up the whole conversation?
[9:57] Gudand Hao: right on larry
[9:57] CDB Barkley: to talk about teaching architecture
[9:57] Corwin Carillon: http://www.nmc.org/sl
[9:57] Khadijah Burali: I look forward to reading the whole chat. Thanks.
[9:57] ElizabethAnne Barth: We will be holding an education conference/event in trinity college (dublin) in SL in a few weeks. Will keep you posted on date/time
[9:57] Corwin Carillon: the conversation will be put on the wiki http://www.nmc.org/campus
[9:57] CDB Barkley: And let me or Corwin know if you have any other topics of interest, or want to host a session
[9:58] LoriVonne Lustre: Thanks very much for this session...
[9:59] Scarlett Qi: Thank you very much. It was really interesting.
[9:59] Sullivan Tomcat: thanks
[9:59] LoriVonne Lustre: and thanks to a snowstorm that blocked the roads I was able to attend![9:59] Maggie Bleriot: Where will we find the transcript?
[9:59] HVX Silverstar: Thank you Gudland
[9:59] HVX Silverstar: Thank you NMC[10:00] Miulew Takahe: ok - so i crashed- - after saying some question...
[10:00] Lyr Lobo: Thanks *smiles*[10:00] Miulew Takahe: but are the discussions be continuing here?
[10:00] Larry Pixel: wOOt!!
[10:00] Gudand Hao: thanks to you all,
[10:00] Farley Scarborough: Thank you, Gudand
