Teachers Buzz 19 Feb 07 Transcript
From NMC-Campus
[edit] NMC Teachers Buzz Feb 19, 2007
- Followup discussion on digital storytelling in SL
- See summary at http://www.nmc.org/sl/2007/02/21/storytelling-part2/
[edit] Chat Transcript
[17:54] Lyr Lobo: Heya Corwin *smiles*
[17:54] CDB Barkley: Hey Troy!
[17:54] Lyr Lobo: hi Troy *grins*
[17:54] Troy McLuhan: Hi
[17:54] You: hey lyr, troy, CDB
[17:55] CDB Barkley: It's Trpy in the round!
[17:55] Lyr Lobo: hehehe
[17:55] You: hmm
[17:56] Lyr Lobo: hehe just testing
[17:56] Lyr Lobo: I cannot resist
[17:57] Troy McLuhan: What time is it in Hong Kong?
[17:57] You: 10am Tue
[17:57] Lyr Lobo: hey I guessed correctly
[17:57] Lyr Lobo: *chuckles*
[17:57] You: lol
[17:57] Troy McLuhan: Wow, a message from the future :)
[17:58] Lyr Lobo: hehe
[17:58] Lyr Lobo: CDB, I'm now playing Euro WoW...installed both US and European servers to get a more multicultural feel for it
[17:58] Bee Kerouac: bonsoir tout le monde
[17:58] CDB Barkley: Game girl
[17:58] Lyr Lobo: Bonsoir *smiles*
[17:59] Troy McLuhan: Bon Matin for Corwin!
[17:59] Bee Kerouac: c'est vrai
[17:59] You: :)
[17:59] Bee Kerouac: bonjour Corwin
[17:59] Calisto Encinal: Hi Everyone!
[17:59] Bee Kerouac: Hi Calisto
[17:59] Lyr Lobo: Greetings *smiles*
[17:59] CDB Barkley: Hi Calisto
[17:59] CDB Barkley: How's life on the west side?>
[17:59] Calisto Encinal: Nice...did you just get that big storm? Even some lightning!
[18:00] Bee Kerouac: Hi CDB, nice to meet you..have read about you but never met you f2f
[18:00] CDB Barkley: No storm, we're in Strawberry, about 2" of snow
[18:00] CDB Barkley: Hi Bee, likewise!
[18:00] Bee Kerouac: Very warm and Carnival time here
[18:00] CDB Barkley: If I recall, you are rather distant too, in RL?
[18:00] CDB Barkley: You should be dancing!
[18:01] Bee Kerouac: I am :-)
[18:01] Calisto Encinal: Very cool, CDB...what a life! I love Strawberry. We were looking at places in Blue Ridge awhile back.
[18:01] CDB Barkley: Uh, close seating
[18:01] Kevin Galbraith: heh.
[18:01] CDB Barkley: It is heaven in AZ
[18:01] CDB Barkley: Only 90 minutes form the city
[18:01] Bee Kerouac: You're in Arizona?
[18:01] Lyr Lobo: 1 person is on the grass at our normal site for the Buzz...
[18:01] CDB Barkley: Yes
[18:01] Bee Kerouac: whereabouts?
[18:01] Calisto Encinal: Me, too.
[18:02] Bee Kerouac: really?
[18:02] Lyr Lobo: very fine, Calisto *smiles*
[18:02] Bee Kerouac: I have a cousin in AZ...he lives in Flagstaff
[18:02] CDB Barkley: I live in Scottscale, but am now in the mountains
[18:02] CDB Barkley: I am about an hour south of Flag now, a fun town
[18:02] Bee Kerouac: I think I stopped in Scottsdale at a hotel
[18:03] CDB Barkley: Hi Cait!
[18:03] Cait Flanagan: Hi
[18:03] Bee Kerouac: when I visited AZ with 45 teenagers...lol
[18:03] CDB Barkley: Wow, folks like sittign with Corwin!
[18:03] CDB Barkley: Brave!
[18:03] Calisto Encinal: What was the occasion, Bee?
[18:03] Bee Kerouac: 1998
[18:03] Bee Kerouac: October
[18:03] Bee Kerouac: lovely time
[18:03] Cait Flanagan: I seem to keep sitting here no matter where I indicate
[18:03] You: I must've messed something up here, sorry fokls
[18:03] Lyr Lobo: hehe
[18:03] CDB Barkley: I was here!
[18:03] Multi Gadget v1.50.0: Boris Grommet
[18:03] Entered chat range: Boris Grommet
[18:03] CDB Barkley: Yo Boris!
[18:03] Bee Kerouac: we took them down Bright Angel Trail
[18:04] Lyr Lobo smiles
[18:04] Cait Flanagan: There I go agin
[18:04] Boris Grommet: Hi CDB!
[18:04] Calisto Encinal: Did everyone make it?
[18:04] Bee Kerouac: later on
[18:04] CDB Barkley: No worries, Cairt
[18:04] CDB Barkley: Cait
[18:04] CDB Barkley: Sorry, medium speed connection for me
[18:04] Bee Kerouac: some stopped at Indian Garden (?)
[18:04] CDB Barkley: bad typist too
[18:04] Bee Kerouac: one fell on a cactus
[18:04] CDB Barkley: Halfway down?
[18:04] Calisto Encinal: Do you have cable or satellite up there?
[18:04] CDB Barkley: Ouch
[18:04] CDB Barkley: Always hike with a ocket comb
[18:05] CDB Barkley: pocket comb
[18:05] Entered chat range: Beedub Brando
[18:05] Bee Kerouac: some went down and go their feet wet in the Colorado river
[18:05] CDB Barkley: It's satellite
[18:05] Bee Kerouac: twas fun
[18:05] CDB Barkley: About 1 Mb downstream, 256 up, puny
[18:05] Bee Kerouac: yes..going up is terrible
[18:05] Troy McLuhan: How come only two of the seats change color?
[18:05] CDB Barkley: Welcome folks, to the NMC Campus Teacher's Buzz!
[18:06] Bee Kerouac: Corwin decided to sit on his own
[18:06] CDB Barkley: I may have had something bad for dinner ;-)
[18:06] Calisto Encinal: How can I guy I met in SL in Switzerland be in his cab and doing fine and here in the states we still struggle to get fast connections?
[18:06] CDB Barkley: How many were here for our last session on Feb 5?
[18:06] Calisto Encinal: a guy...
[18:06] Bee Kerouac: I was not
[18:06] Calisto Encinal: I was not.
[18:06] Cait Flanagan: Sorry, I had to miss it
[18:07] Frankie Antonelli: Couldn't make it either
[18:07] CDB Barkley: No worries
[18:07] Bee Kerouac: maybe you could sum it up for us?
[18:07] CDB Barkley: See the recap at http://www.nmc.org/sl/2007/02/05/storytelling/
[18:07] Bee Kerouac: merci
[18:07] Sorcs Nolan: i was not
[18:07] CDB Barkley: We had Gudand Hao, who is actually Joe Lambert in RL
[18:07] CDB Barkley: from the Center for Digital Storytelling
[18:08] CDB Barkley: Who put out some of his ideas about storytelling in general, and how that may take place in SL
[18:08] CDB Barkley: It was a bit rauscous as we had 65 avatars
[18:08] Bee Kerouac: 65?
[18:08] Bee Kerouac: geez
[18:08] Calisto Encinal: How many can the sim hold?
[18:08] Lyr Lobo smiles and nods
[18:08] CDB Barkley: 60-70
[18:08] Kim Chihuly: yikes!
[18:09] Lyr Lobo: at Relay for Life, one sim held 100, but that was a linden sponsored event...and few prims on it
[18:09] CDB Barkley: We are at a corner of 4 sims
[18:09] CDB Barkley: 60 is a lot to habdle
[18:09] Bee Kerouac: what happens after that? we dissolve in thin air?
[18:09] Lyr Lobo: it is... whew
[18:09] CDB Barkley: That helps to have empty sims
[18:09] Lyr Lobo: no, but some folks across the way have a hard time
[18:09] CDB Barkley: No, people cannot tp in
[18:09] CDB Barkley: Gudand said, "I think in second life you could have media exchanges, as in sharing already created stories or you could have folks collaborate to create and perform stories here."
[18:10] CDB Barkley: "My main interest is could you hold story circles here. Could you get people to reflect on a considered narrative and find a way to get intimate about the story?"
[18:10] Lyr Lobo: yes
[18:10] CDB Barkley: We decided since there was so much interest, we'd hold a followup discussion
[18:10] CDB Barkley: Our sessions our not terribly structured, more conversational
[18:10] Bee Kerouac: please explain what you mean by getting intinmate about a considered narrative?
[18:11] CDB Barkley: But Troy McLuham volunteered to held lead a session, so let me turn it over to troy.
[18:11] Lyr Lobo grins at Troy
[18:11] CDB Barkley: Those where gudand's words, not mine ;-)
[18:11] Troy McLuhan: Okay, thanks CDB
[18:11] Troy McLuhan: This all started when the NMC
[18:11] CDB Barkley: "intimate" in terms of emotionally connected
[18:11] Troy McLuhan: Teachers Buzz session visited Otis College
[18:11] Troy McLuhan: on EduIsland back in early January...
[18:12] Troy McLuhan: To quote from that session:
[18:12] Troy McLuhan: "SueMaeLA Escape: the Digital Storytelling class is the one most interested so far in SL"
[18:12] Troy McLuhan: Later in the tour, someone asked if anyone had ideas for
[18:12] Troy McLuhan: future Buzz Sessions...
[18:12] Troy McLuhan: So I said:
[18:12] Troy McLuhan: "Troy McLuhan: CDB, I'd love to have a buzz session about usind SL for digital storytelling"
[18:13] CDB Barkley: :-)
[18:13] Alexandria Knight accepted your inventory offer.
[18:13] Troy McLuhan: So it's all my fault!
[18:13] CDB Barkley: Troy is very involved with science in SL....
[18:13] Troy McLuhan: See, I don't know much about storytelling...
[18:13] CDB Barkley: ... so what sparked your interest in storytelling?
[18:13] Troy McLuhan: but I know that stories are great ways to teach
[18:14] Troy McLuhan: and to entertain, of course
[18:14] CDB Barkley: I should add that Joe Lambert is lined up to teach digital storytelling to scientists at JPL
[18:14] Troy McLuhan: My question for everyone here today is:
[18:14] Troy McLuhan: How can SL be Used for Telling Stories?
[18:14] Troy McLuhan: Think about SL in relation to novels, TV shows, live plays, movies, The Enchanted Tiki Room, story circles, and YouTube serials, for example.
[18:14] Bee Kerouac: we can make stories happen in SL
[18:15] Troy McLuhan: Yes...
[18:15] Farley Scarborough: I hope you don't mind being cozy, Calisto. No matteer what I do I end up here.
[18:15] CDB Barkley: Do you mean act them out, Bee?
[18:15] Calisto Encinal: No problem, Farely.
[18:15] Cait Flanagan: Don't worry Farley, I was haviing the same problem
[18:15] Calisto Encinal smiles
[18:15] Farley Scarborough smiles
[18:16] CDB Barkley: How many here have experience with digtial storytelling?
[18:16] Troy McLuhan: I do, I guess
[18:16] Boris Grommet: I do.
[18:16] You: a little
[18:16] Lyr Lobo: I tell "Fireside chats" in my online classes
[18:16] CDB Barkley: Corwin iis humble
[18:16] Bee Kerouac: just my mother telling me stories...and I telling them to my children
[18:16] CDB Barkley: That's interesting, Lyr, more!
[18:16] Lyr Lobo nods and smiles
[18:16] Calisto Encinal: I've made some short movies..more documentary.
[18:17] Beedub Brando: I'm in process of exploring that with an island, and I have worked fro years in documentary
[18:17] Troy McLuhan: Is a TV show a story? If it is digital TV, is that digital storytelling?
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: well to illustrate points that students where students do not have a context. I used to "tell" the story, but now, I weave the intro and draw them into the story
[18:17] CDB Barkley: They participate then?
[18:17] Lyr Lobo: yes
[18:18] Bee Kerouac: how?
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: the best stories become their stories
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: I would start it... and ask them what do you think happened next?
[18:18] Beedub Brando: And this is a great enrironment for helping that happen
[18:18] Lyr Lobo: (the involvement is critical..>I can redirect our destination if need be)
[18:18] CDB Barkley: Does anyone consider it too "touchy feel"? ;-)
[18:18] Lyr Lobo laughs
[18:18] Beedub Brando: nahh
[18:18] Bee Kerouac: what is touchy feel?
[18:19] Lyr Lobo: my very formal NASA and Air Force Space Command students do not find it too touchy feely
[18:19] CDB Barkley: not "professional"? just checking the waters?
[18:19] CDB Barkley: My experience is that its extremely powerful
[18:19] Lyr Lobo welcomes Butch
[18:19] Butch Dae: Hi
[18:20] Troy McLuhan: Does storytelling have to get audience interaction?
[18:20] Lyr Lobo: if you want them to remember it...yes
[18:20] Bee Kerouac: it has to get participation I guess
[18:20] CDB Barkley: Well, one would not do it alone ;-)
[18:21] Calisto Encinal: On the one hand, if a tree falls in the forest, but on the other, it's more about the process isn't it...self-discover.
[18:21] Lyr Lobo smiles
[18:21] Troy McLuhan: When an author writes a novel, is he (or she) not storytelling?
[18:21] Bee Kerouac: how does this help learners?
[18:21] Lyr Lobo: definitely...and he/she suffers great anxiety, wondering how it will be received...
[18:22] You: folks can we switch to the red cushion seating ,.... this one is playing up bigtime .. have no idea why
[18:22] Calisto Encinal: And they lose control once it's out in the public...it takes on its own life.
[18:22] CDB Barkley: It's about creating a strong connection with a person, concept....
[18:22] Bee Kerouac: the story and the participants' identiyt?
[18:22] Lyr Lobo: if learners participate, learning retention increases, involvement increases...and it becomes their story, not our story
[18:23] CDB Barkley: Some of the best tv commercials tell a story in 30 seconds
[18:23] Troy McLuhan: Yes - can we do something similar in SL?
[18:24] Beedub Brando: It's about how well it drills down into the psyhce
[18:24] CDB Barkley: Ahhh, and how does that happen?
[18:24] Bee Kerouac: why do you want to drill into the psyche?
[18:24] Beedub Brando: Gets to something mythic
[18:24] CDB Barkley: In academia, we get conditioned to write in disconnected, "beige prose"
[18:25] Beedub Brando: Yu can do it many ways, I think.
[18:25] Bee Kerouac: what is beige prose?
[18:25] Bee Kerouac: sorry I am a newbie
[18:25] Beedub Brando: Poetry, a single frame, a book, an adventure
[18:25] CDB Barkley: It is the generic sort of emotionally empty writing
[18:25] CDB Barkley: removed
[18:25] Cait Flanagan: Yes, but we present very differently than this to our students
[18:26] Troy McLuhan: How so?
[18:26] CDB Barkley: We all come from a childhood deeply immersied in stories, magic, family culture.... and it fades
[18:26] Bee Kerouac: we do..do our learners?
[18:27] Lyr Lobo thinks that it fades less for some of us
[18:27] Cait Flanagan: I teach history. The best history is always stories. this is the problem with textbooks
[18:27] CDB Barkley: That's good, Lyr!
[18:27] Lyr Lobo chuckles
[18:27] CDB Barkley: Yesm true
[18:27] Troy McLuhan: Cait - I couldn't agree more!
[18:27] CDB Barkley: It becomes facts and dates
[18:27] Lyr Lobo: breathe it...and live it...
[18:27] Troy McLuhan: I always love to read the science nonfiction of Isaac Asimov - because he tells the stories of the scientists
[18:27] Bee Kerouac: it's the human bit tha counts in history
[18:28] Cait Flanagan: Right, remember that we are studying people
[18:28] Bee Kerouac: what made these people tick?
[18:28] Frankie Antonelli: what are the qualities of a good storyteller?
[18:28] Bee Kerouac: what made them take the decisions they did?
[18:28] Beedub Brando: Captivating
[18:28] CDB Barkley: Yes, the story of the discoverr of the strucutre of the benzene ring...
[18:28] Bee Kerouac: suspense
[18:28] Beedub Brando: Draws you in
[18:28] CDB Barkley: ... had a dream of s snake eating its tail
[18:28] Cait Flanagan: excitement with the topic
[18:29] Lyr Lobo: adapts to the audience... transfers the "stage" as each enters the scene...
[18:29] Bee Kerouac: recognizing the pattern
[18:29] Beedub Brando: Recognises there's something deepr behind stories
[18:29] You: a connection /resonance to you
[18:29] Cait Flanagan: good point - to tell stories in ways that connect to a modern audience
[18:30] Frankie Antonelli: it seems that people have an innate ability to tell story while for others it is very difficult
[18:30] CDB Barkley: Hello Isa
[18:30] Beedub Brando: Yes
[18:30] CDB Barkley: rue, framkie, but why?
[18:30] Isa Goodman: Heya
[18:30] Lyr Lobo grins
[18:30] Frankie Antonelli: is that why it fades away for some people and not for others?
[18:30] You: story memory is a key memory type
[18:30] CDB Barkley: Perhaps culture
[18:31] Lyr Lobo: drawing people into safe, comfortable stories...that form analogies to learning outcomes helps...
[18:31] Bee Kerouac: or just a connection to things other than material
[18:31] CDB Barkley: I have a friend the other night who shared of living in Peru...
[18:31] Kevin Galbraith: Interesting, Corwin.
[18:31] You: the more the emotional connetion strength, the less quickly it fades
[18:31] Beedub Brando: Yes.......
[18:31] CDB Barkley: .. and the famil she was with had a huge tapestry of every generation going back 6 0r 7
[18:31] CDB Barkley: and they woudl; retell the story of everyone in the famils
[18:31] CDB Barkley: family
[18:31] Lyr Lobo: very cool, CDB...
[18:32] Frankie Antonelli: agree, emotion has a great role
[18:32] CDB Barkley: Emption is the key
[18:32] CDB Barkley: to espression
[18:32] Bee Kerouac: not only emotion...but an interest in the development
[18:32] CDB Barkley: which is why the workshops the Center fo Digital Storytelling work so well
[18:33] CDB Barkley: There, a story is not a solo exercise
[18:33] CDB Barkley: a lot of group process, feedback
[18:33] CDB Barkley: There seems little reason we could not share stories now, except having to type them...
[18:34] Calisto Encinal: We could Skype in for voice.
[18:34] Troy McLuhan: If feedback and group process to create stories is so wonderful, then why is it so rare?
[18:34] Bee Kerouac: ouch
[18:34] Cait Flanagan: I was wondering about that. I'm new to SL. Is there a way to run it through skype
[18:34] Cait Flanagan: or something for audio?
[18:34] CDB Barkley: Ahh, the terchnical
[18:34] Troy McLuhan: Audio is just around the corner :)
[18:35] Bee Kerouac: yes..you can have a device like the one on mh right ear
[18:35] You: is it rare coz we've lost it in modern day?
[18:35] Lyr Lobo: it isn't rare in roleplaying and improvisational theatre
[18:35] CDB Barkley: We tried a skyupe conference call.. it was a bit convioluted
[18:35] Bee Kerouac: plays with Skype
[18:35] CDB Barkley: and it really mean sone person talks at a time
[18:35] Alexandria Knight: I guess we could each tell stories, as we all have them, but how do we use stories effectively in teaching?
[18:35] You: or is it rare that they don't get told
[18:35] Kim Chihuly: most people are passive media consumers - story consumers, rather htan story tellers?
[18:35] Bee Kerouac: Augusto Boal
[18:35] Calisto Encinal: We did a Skype cast for the Language and Culture meeting yesterday. No one wanted to talk! Strange for language teachers.
[18:35] Lyr Lobo: I give my students roles.... and have them represent these perspectives...
[18:35] CDB Barkley: I really doubt there are peol lacking stories to tell
[18:36] Beedub Brando: Perrhaps, but we all have storie that define our lives
[18:36] Alexandria Knight: Oh, that sounds like a possibility
[18:36] CDB Barkley: Every subject has a history, and important people behind them
[18:36] Beedub Brando: That we love to tell
[18:36] CDB Barkley: Or there are case studies
[18:36] Bee Kerouac: I have never liked to be assigned roles
[18:36] Beedub Brando: His-story, her-story
[18:36] Bee Kerouac: never knew how to play them
[18:36] CDB Barkley: Yes, it is not easy
[18:37] Lyr Lobo: ahh well, then you could pick your own *grins*
[18:37] Bee Kerouac: sounded fake somehow
[18:37] CDB Barkley: I bet everyone here has had an important role model, mentor, and there is a story
[18:37] Lyr Lobo: I love to roleplay that I am Dilbert's Pointy-haired manager...and I am oh so helpful... during our story sessions
[18:37] Troy McLuhan: Beyond someone actually sitting there and *Telling a Story*, how else can SL be used to tell stories?
[18:38] Frankie Antonelli: :)
[18:38] Calisto Encinal: Machinima?
[18:38] Lyr Lobo: visual storytelling, interactive, scene setting.... immersive...so many ways.... machinima is another great way
[18:38] Isa Goodman: I worked in a medium that assign a role inside a story and develops the role based on the choices made by the assignee
[18:38] Boris Grommet: You can work on the "I found a camera in the woods" model, and exchange images.
[18:38] Lyr Lobo: your game is such fun, Isa....*nods*
[18:38] CDB Barkley: Nice, Boris, perhaps explain that one
[18:38] Isa Goodman: *smiles*
[18:38] Lyr Lobo: very true, Boris...and I like the notion of the Third space for setting it
[18:39] Isa Goodman: For those interested a free to use rpg storytelling game engine http://eduforge.org/projects/gameflashobjs/
[18:39] Boris Grommet: Sure, there are several models for digital storytelling that work on the idea that sequences of images can tell a story
[18:39] Farley Scarborough: Thank you Isa
[18:39] Isa Goodman: no prob
[18:40] Beedub Brando: So here, you can have a sequence of experiences, perhaps
[18:40] Boris Grommet: The "I found a camera in the woods" story used a series of what "supposedly" were images found in an abandoned camera?
[18:41] Boris Grommet: ?the images looked innocent enough - until you looked more closely, and then a rather disturbing story began to emerge.
[18:41] Beedub Brando: Ahh, then the learner began to take an activre part
[18:41] Isa Goodman: Another option we have worked with for primary and secondary students are continuing stories
[18:41] Isa Goodman: so that students could pick up the story at any stage and make that bit their own
[18:41] Lyr Lobo blinks and nods at Boris
[18:42] Bee Kerouac: there is a website in Spanish...which promotes story telling
[18:42] Bee Kerouac: escribeme.org
[18:42] Bee Kerouac: students submit paragraphs and you vote for different continuations
[18:42] You: http://escribeme.org/
[18:43] Isa Goodman: heh... very much like we used Bee
[18:43] Troy McLuhan: I'd like to show you an animation
[18:43] CDB Barkley: Cool
[18:43] CDB Barkley: Do you need anything, or is it via URL?
[18:44] Troy McLuhan: It's in SL...
[18:44] You: An "I found the camera in the woods" example is at http://tinyurl.com/2ez7m9 and http://tinyurl.com/y658qa
[18:44] Troy McLuhan: I just have to find it in my inventory
[18:44] Isa Goodman: http://english.unitecnology.ac.nz/writers/
[18:44] CDB Barkley: Cool
[18:44] Bee Kerouac: how do we get to it? clicking?
[18:44] CDB Barkley: UNITEC!
[18:44] CDB Barkley: Cool, I;ve been there
[18:44] Isa Goodman: The New Zealand version
[18:44] Troy McLuhan: There
[18:44] Bee Kerouac: new zealand?
[18:44] Isa Goodman: Sweet
[18:44] Troy McLuhan: It's behind me
[18:45] CDB Barkley: Yep.
[18:45] Troy McLuhan: Watch...
[18:45] Bee Kerouac: nice
[18:46] Bee Kerouac: watch?
[18:46] Troy McLuhan: Is that a story?
[18:46] CDB Barkley scratches head
[18:46] Bee Kerouac: where are you?
[18:46] Lyr Lobo: it is a visual that relates to a very small story.... and one that may intrigue some folks and bore others
[18:46] You: hmmm
[18:47] You: little emotion or connection ...
[18:47] Bee Kerouac: where?
[18:47] You: if you bring in the agents around that may be
[18:47] Calisto Encinal: Is there any variation in the action?
[18:48] CDB Barkley: Phase shift?
[18:48] Troy McLuhan: It shows, geometrically, with *no* numbers, how to make the graph of the sine function
[18:48] Troy McLuhan: A little parable
[18:48] Lyr Lobo: my students would want to know "and how does that apply to the.... space program or some other cool implementation? " *grins*
[18:48] Lyr Lobo listens
[18:49] CDB Barkley: Where is the sine function in my daily life? lots of places
[18:49] Troy McLuhan: SL enables all kinds of animations... which can be used to tell stories
[18:50] Troy McLuhan: like this mother duck with her three little duck babies over here
[18:50] Troy McLuhan: swimming around
[18:51] Bee Kerouac: welcome Kenzo
[18:51] Boris Grommet: It's not unlike the roles objects can play in some forms of RL storytelling - "This is the handkerchief Iago took and Othello found"
[18:51] In Kenzo waves
[18:51] CDB Barkley: Yes, the found object exercises
[18:52] CDB Barkley: Would people relate as much to virtual objects?
[18:52] Bee Kerouac: it depends on what they do
[18:53] Isa Goodman: I think so CDB... especially if there is a possible interaction with it that could affect the story
[18:53] CDB Barkley: Well, I have a gold antique watch my gransmother gave me, a rather strong connection is there....
[18:53] Alexandria Knight: Sorry--have to go. Thanks.
[18:53] CDB Barkley: Bye Alexandria
[18:53] Isa Goodman: cu
[18:53] You: bye
[18:53] Bee Kerouac: how does it affect you CDB?
[18:54] CDB Barkley: It was the ne my grandfather wore every day to work, a man I never knew...
[18:54] CDB Barkley: ... so the connections were through grandma's stories
[18:54] Kim Chihuly: bye everybody
[18:54] Isa Goodman: But it still has meaning for you yes?
[18:54] CDB Barkley: Indeed
[18:54] Lyr Lobo waves goodbye to Kim
[18:54] You: bye
[18:54] Bee Kerouac: how do you imagine him?
[18:55] Cait Flanagan: Have to go...thank you all for the conversation bye
[18:55] CDB Barkley: It's hard, because I have no recorded voice... it's more through deeds, old photos, silent movies
[18:55] CDB Barkley: kind of patchy
[18:55] Bee Kerouac: fragments
[18:55] CDB Barkley: so I'm left to fill in the spaces
[18:56] CDB Barkley: I'll put Im on the spot, what are some ideas, as an artist, of creating stories in SL?
[18:56] Lyr Lobo: that reminds me of Thurber-esque tales, CDB. They are no less poignant due to his embellishments
[18:56] You: if you brought that story (CDB's) into 3D here I wonder what it could look like
[18:56] Troy McLuhan: Did anyone see the ballet in SL yet?
[18:57] Bee Kerouac: no
[18:57] Troy McLuhan: or perhaps the live play at the Globe Theater last year?
[18:57] Frankie Antonelli: no
[18:57] CDB Barkley: Well, a story needs an arc, a destination... a challenge to overcome...
[18:57] Frankie Antonelli: do they have one scheduled for this year?
[18:57] Bee Kerouac: a mytical hero
[18:58] CDB Barkley: Yes, The Hero's journey
[18:58] In Kenzo: hero's journey by ludo merit and co?
[18:58] CDB Barkley: Joseph Campbell I was going to
[18:58] Bee Kerouac: hmmmm
[18:59] Troy McLuhan: My point was that live, physical performance is possible in SL - so why is it so rare?
[18:59] In Kenzo: yes, there was a large interactive exhibit at NMConnect called the hero's journey
[18:59] Bee Kerouac: guess people just do not know how to
[18:59] In Kenzo: live, with art, and also scripted when actors were not there
[18:59] In Kenzo: there are a lot of performances happening inworld, opera, dance, improv
[18:59] CDB Barkley: Ahh cool, another thing I missed!
[18:59] Lyr Lobo: well prescripted animations
[18:59] CDB Barkley: There is a new building behind us...
[18:59] Calisto Encinal: The Hero's Journey was really moving..it was great.
[18:59] CDB Barkley: designed to to theater, stage design etc
[19:00] CDB Barkley: It has a configurable set up for various theater setups
[19:00] CDB Barkley: We're working with some faculty from Northwestern U as a teaching environment
[19:01] Troy McLuhan: I'm excited to see how this building gets used
[19:01] CDB Barkley: And we're workig with an orchetra in Cleveland for doing live perfomances.. but I agree Troy, not much done on a big scale
[19:01] In Kenzo: we are making major television, commercials, music videos and also film work here int eh studio
[19:01] In Kenzo: integrating SL with traditional media.
[19:02] In Kenzo: and also looking at how to integrate it with our live action series. so far we've done many experiments but we haven't settled on one storytelling format for SL.
[19:02] CDB Barkley: Yes, once can have any set
[19:03] Bee Kerouac: yiou should've had a carnival happening here
[19:03] Troy McLuhan: So... still many questions about how SL and virtual worlds can be used for telling stories
[19:04] In Kenzo: elephants smell better in SL
[19:04] Bee Kerouac: next year
[19:04] CDB Barkley: Many
[19:04] CDB Barkley: hah!
[19:04] Bee Kerouac: each samba school composes a story
[19:04] Troy McLuhan: Whenever a new media form comes along, one of the first things people do is replicate old media
[19:04] Troy McLuhan: like reading plays on the radio
[19:05] Troy McLuhan: What new forms will emerge here.. we're only beginning to see
[19:05] Bee Kerouac: you could place stories in different periods
[19:05] In Kenzo: one unique offering of SL is the ability to make difficult topics more approachable and palatable
[19:05] Bee Kerouac: with different objects and people
[19:05] In Kenzo: things like anatomy, genocide, abuse, physical handicaps lose their visceral bodily hold on us when here, we have a different perspective.
[19:06] Troy McLuhan: More detached?
[19:06] In Kenzo: can be very healing though.
[19:06] CDB Barkley: Good point...
[19:06] CDB Barkley: and what new ones might emerge?
[19:06] In Kenzo: like our misxed reality video on darfur with the avatars talking about the genocide. kids can watch it and get it in a way that news cannot....
[19:06] In Kenzo: the key is how you mix it
[19:07] In Kenzo: and i'm eager to see more creatives do that experimental mixing to see what's most effective with different audiences.
[19:07] Bee Kerouac: transplant the concept of genocide into their contexts
[19:07] CDB Barkley: It might seem a lot to a humble teacher ;-)
[19:07] In Kenzo: machinima, for instance, can break a LOT of rules
[19:08] In Kenzo: like a comedy central news show......
[19:08] In Kenzo: both honest and completely unreal at the same time.....
[19:08] You: so you have story practices from RL brought into SL, you have media blending of stories using RL and SL, you have stories totally created in SL leveraging some it's capabilities
[19:09] In Kenzo: Northwestern better get busy!
[19:09] Lyr Lobo: hehe
[19:09] Bee Kerouac: does it reach people?
[19:09] In Kenzo: i'd love to see more surreal, out of this world theatrics not possible on a real stage
[19:10] Beedub Brando: yes, make use of medium
[19:10] Lyr Lobo smiles at everyone, then departs to meet with a student...
[19:10] Troy McLuhan: Like a live actor undergoing a transformation right before you on the stage
[19:10] You: reach people in what way bee?
[19:10] In Kenzo: yes. or the changing time period with a click....
[19:11] In Kenzo: visual effects sleight of hand
[19:11] Bee Kerouac: what's the aim? where are you heading?
[19:11] In Kenzo: what story do you want to tell bee?
[19:11] Troy McLuhan: I think we should probably wrap up soon
[19:11] In Kenzo: i have a few in me, most of us do....
[19:12] In Kenzo: yes troy, thanks, and thank you CBD
[19:12] Troy McLuhan: Your homework assignment is to develop new storytelling methods that are unique to virtual worlds
[19:12] CDB Barkley: Thanks Troy for volunteering
[19:12] Isa Goodman: *smiles*
[19:12] CDB Barkley: Excellent!
[19:12] You: hehe .. thx Troy
[19:12] Calisto Encinal: Thanks, guys...very interesting!
[19:12] Beedub Brando: thanks, all....... g'nite
[19:12] In Kenzo: who blogs and has videoblogs here?
[19:12] Isa Goodman: nite
[19:12] Farley Scarborough: Thanks all
[19:12] Calisto Encinal: Blog..
[19:12] Frankie Antonelli: thanks CDB Barkley, bye everyone
[19:13] CDB Barkley: We're eager for future discussion topics
[19:13] Troy McLuhan: I contribute to several blogs
[19:13] Bee Kerouac: thank you ...enlightening
[19:13] Boris Grommet: Thanks, everyone - really enjoyed the session.
[19:13] CDB Barkley: Thanks everyone
[19:13] CDB Barkley: Thanks everyone
[19:13] Troy McLuhan: Have a great week everyone!
[19:13] In Kenzo: inkenzo.blip.tv and inkenzo.vox.com I'll post those new technique homework clips ;-)
[19:13] Isa Goodman: y too
[19:13] You: thx In kenzo
[19:13] Bee Kerouac: a plus
[19:13] CDB Barkley: Cool, thanks Im!
[19:13] Boris Grommet: Thanks, Im!
[19:14] In Kenzo: Oh, and I asked a friend about doing another machinima for educators session, a couple of people asked about that. Late in March?
[19:14] Isa Goodman: Sweet
[19:14] Farley Scarborough: Excellent!
[19:14] CDB Barkley: That would be great!
[19:14] In Kenzo: will post a date when we can nail it down.
[19:14] CDB Barkley: We're working on a film festival for May too
[19:14] Calisto Encinal: I would be very interested.
[19:14] Boris Grommet: Yes, please!
[19:14] In Kenzo: nice CBD
[19:15] In Kenzo: siggraph has a due date coming up in a few weeks for digital animation too ;-)
[19:15] Bee Kerouac: thank you and bye
[19:15] Calisto Encinal: The Language and Culture group might have something by April or May.
[19:15] In Kenzo: nice meeting you bee
[19:15] CDB Barkley: Thanks for coming Bee!
[19:15] In Kenzo: you ask good questions
[19:15] CDB Barkley: See folks in 2 weeks
[19:15] Isa Goodman: cu
[19:15] Bee Kerouac: newbie questions :-)
[19:15] Isa Goodman: Bye all
[19:15] In Kenzo: useful questions.
[19:15] Troy McLuhan: Cheers
[19:16] Boris Grommet: See you all later!
[19:16] In Kenzo: soon
[19:16] You: bye boris
[19:16] CDB Barkley: Adios, its dinner time!
[19:16] Calisto Encinal: Enjoy the snow! When do you come back down?
[19:16] Butch Dae: Buy all.
[19:16] You: bye everyone
[19:16] CDB Barkley: Tuesday nite
[19:17] CDB Barkley: I work form here tomorrow
