Henry Jenkins From Teen Grid
From NMC-Campus
On December 20, 2006, Henry Jenkins paid a visit to Global Kids Island on the Teen Grid. NMC assisted by streaming the audio, and provided a place on NCM Campus for us "non-teens" to listen in.. and we even got a few questions passed by chat to Jenkins.
Two screens in Huntley ballroom flashed random images of Jenkins, his appearance in Second Life for the MacArthur Foundation press conference, and of the Global Kids Island.
- event information
- blog summary (NMC Campus Observer)
- recorded audio 35.4 Mb MP3, 38:42
- photos from NMC Campus
- photos from Global Kids
[edit] chat transcript
[13:41] Shimaki Shikami: expecting large turnout here for henry?
[13:42] CDB Barkley: have no deia
[13:42] CDB Barkley: idea
[13:42] Shimaki Shikami: how about in the teen grid?
[13:42] Shimaki Shikami: any idea there?[13:42] Shimaki Shikami: wow. i'm getting exhuasted just watching myself dance.
[13:44] CDB Barkley: Turn o your music channel!
[13:44] CDB Barkley: We got tunes
[13:51] CDB Barkley: Click the dance logo under me to stop
[13:51] Shimaki Shikami: ah. well at least I have music now to dance to.
[13:51] Sleestak Mycron: that worked
[13:52] CDB Barkley: Hi Ilene
[13:52] Shimaki Shikami: haha. this explains the goofy dancing Henry avatar on his blog.
[13:52] Ilene Pratt: hI! This is a riot!
[13:52] CDB Barkley: Yes, dancing sounds silly til you let loose!
[14:03] CDB Barkley: We are hoping our Global Kids will snap and send us some pictures
[14:03] CDB Barkley: And we'll put them on the random screens above
[14:04] CDB Barkley: They will be putting them up on flickr at http://www.flickr.com/photos/holymeatballs/sets/72157594430382387/
[14:04] Shimaki Shikami: ah - thanks for the link
[14:04] CDB Barkley: We'll be audio connection only during Jenkins session
[14:07] CDB Barkley: We are waiting on the DJ stream from the Global Kids...
[14:07] CDB Barkley: Just grooving now to some iTunes island muszik
[14:08] Sullivan Tomcat: this is too cool. I wonder what the kids dancefloor is like?
[14:08] Sullivan Tomcat: oh - this isnt the global kids dj?
[14:08] CDB Barkley: Yes.
[14:08] CDB Barkley: No this is CDB DJ
[14:08] CDB Barkley: Whatever I listen in iTunes is being streamed into SL
[14:08] Shimaki Shikami: CDB is renamed DJ remix CDB
[14:08] Sullivan Tomcat: not bad. I dj myself ;)
[14:08] Sullivan Tomcat: cool!
[14:08] CDB Barkley: I do not DJ!
[14:09] Shimaki Shikami: CDB - what is your DJ alterego name?
[14:09] Sullivan Tomcat: so this is your itunes now? that's a good script.
[14:09] Shimaki Shikami: your, uh, third life name if you will? :)
[14:09] CDB Barkley: Dogster DJ?
[14:09] Shimaki Shikami: haha
[14:09] Sullivan Tomcat: good one
[14:10] CDB Barkley: Yeah, right
[14:10] Shimaki Shikami: Dr. DJCogDog
[14:11] CDB Barkley: hehehhe
[14:11] Sullivan Tomcat: dj cogjog
[14:11] CDB Barkley: yes, must be lc
[14:11] CDB Barkley: in synch!
[14:12] Ilene Pratt: I didn't see the zero sky dancers - but is this how they organize that kind of performance?
[14:12] CDB Barkley: No that is quite different
[14:12] CDB Barkley: It is hard to describe
[14:13] Sleestak Mycron: More like acrobatic flying
[14:13] CDB Barkley: did you see the photos or or slide show movie?
[14:13] CDB Barkley: Very fluid
[14:13] Ilene Pratt: Just some of the photos.
[14:13] CDB Barkley: Avatars as fluid shapes
[14:17] CDB Barkley: This music is being DJ's by Alpha, one of the Global Kids who organized their events
[14:17] CDB Barkley: Weird Al is being "White and Nerdy"
[14:18] Sleestak Mycron: Love "Weird Al"!
[14:18] CDB Barkley: "Javascript as well as Klingon"
[14:18] Sullivan Tomcat: hahaha
[14:19] Sleestak Mycron: Couldn't imagine WHO he's refering to...
[14:19] CDB Barkley: We're listening now to DJ Alpha, one of the Global Kids over in Huntley Ballroom. Henry jenkins coomes on in 40 miinutes
[14:20] CDB Barkley: DJ music on the musuc channel
[14:22] Sullivan Tomcat: what are the images flashing on the wall over there?
[14:22] CDB Barkley: Random images
[14:22] CDB Barkley: Some of Henry Jenkins
[14:22] CDB Barkley: Some from Global Kids Island
[14:22] Ilene Pratt: It's like Henry Jenkins is Big Brother and he's watching us dance
[14:22] Sullivan Tomcat: they are sending them over here?
[14:22] Sullivan Tomcat: hahah its true
[14:36] Shimaki Shikami: Sleestak, you gave me childhood deja vu memories of Mary Poppins when the kids have a tea party on the ceiling
[14:36] Shimaki Shikami: "come down from there!"
[14:36] Shimaki Shikami: :)
[14:36] CDB Barkley: Rocking with Alpha!
[14:36] CDB Barkley: DJ fom Global Kids
[14:36] Sleestak Mycron: More like Willy Wonka's Fizzy Pop...
[14:45] CDB Barkley: Okay, we hear Henry Jenkins is on GK Island, now dancing
[14:45] CDB Barkley: He should be on in 15 minutes
[14:56] CDB Barkley: Here is a photo from the dance party on Global Kids Island
[14:56] CDB Barkley: Going on right now
[14:57] CDB Barkley: Click the dance floor to sop/start gyrating
[14:57] CDB Barkley: Music is on the Music channel!
[14:57] CDB Barkley: We'll be starting hopefully soon
[15:03] CDB Barkley: Getting ready for show time
[15:04] CDB Barkley: Listen in on the music channel
[15:04] Ilene Pratt: Hey Hi! We're dancing. Just click the "dancing" logo on the floor.
[15:04] Ilene Pratt: Rockin!
[15:05] Lou Liebknecht: Ilene, can I ask you a question while we are dancing
[15:06] Ilene Pratt: Sure! What's the question?
[15:06] Espresso machine : gives a cup to Arcanum Massiel
[15:06] Cosmopolitan whispers: Ah, so good..Perfectly shaken!!
[15:07] Lou Liebknecht: I went over to the Harvard sim for the name of the building so that I can include it in our proposal. What is the correct name? Austine Hall or Berkman?
[15:07] Cosmopolitan whispers: Ah, so good..Perfectly shaken!!
[15:07] Ilene Pratt: Our building? Hmmm.. I'll have to ask Drew! I'll send him some real email.
[15:07] Espresso machine : gives a cup to ShaoGin Yue
[15:08] ShaoGin Yue: Thanks!
[15:08] Lou Liebknecht: No, not your building, the Harvard law school one.
[15:09] Shimaki Shikami: Berkman Island
[15:09] Lou Liebknecht: Thanks
[15:09] Shimaki Shikami: NMC is more fun than Berkman island. At least right now. :)
[15:10] CDB Barkley: Barry Joseph now on
[15:18] Magda Voss: Here's a question...
[15:18] Magda Voss: It seems to me that SL is more a MOSS (Massive Online Simulation) than a game, but how can we create a game like environment here ?
[15:20] Magda Voss: using SL like a learning commnity...
[15:20] Ilene Pratt: It's in libraries too!
[15:23] Magda Voss: Thanks ! .. yes, it's a very enabling environment ! Lots of possibilities for role playing, and story telling, etc.
[15:24] Magda Voss: Cool, thanks .
[15:24] CDB Barkley: Music is on
[15:25] CDB Barkley: Time to dance
[15:25] CDB Barkley: Henry is dancing on the teen grid
[15:26] CDB Barkley: Nusic is from eurotrance
[15:31] Diedame Iddinja: Hello John
[15:31] John2 Kepler: HI di
[15:31] John2 Kepler: ARe you here to hear Jenkins speak?
[15:32] CDB Barkley: Henry coming back
[15:32] Diedame Iddinja: I came in late and probably have to head out shortly.
[15:32] Shaker whispers: Shaken, not stirred!
[15:33] John2 Kepler: Sorry chris
[15:33] John2 Kepler: Chris, is there any audio on right now?
[15:34] Christopher Prudhomme: yes
[[15:34] Chris Steinhardt: Yes
[15:34] John2 Kepler: I am not hearing it. What do I need to do?
[15:34] Christopher Prudhomme: I am hearing audio
[15:34] CDB Barkley: Play the music channel
[15:34] CDB Barkley: Henry jenkins now speaking
[15:34] John2 Kepler: Where is the music channel?
[15:35] CDB Barkley: just above te blue buttons screen right
[15:35] Piett Hesse: wait
[15:35] CDB Barkley: if not there, go to edit--- preferences
[15:35] CDB Barkley: audio/video tab
[15:35] CDB Barkley: enable in world audio
[15:36] CDB Barkley: post any questions in chat and we will relay to jenkins
[15:36] CDB Barkley: and the backchannel is open
[15:36] Kim Chihuly: i wish more of the profs at my school would listen to this guy
[15:37] Kim Chihuly: he's about play (and the learning that comes from it) and they're all about curriculum objectives and focing the game into those objectives
[15:38] John2 Kepler: Thank you, now I hear him.
[15:38] CDB Barkley: Chat your questions..... we'll send to henry
[15:39] Beth Kavka: did he already get questions about the validity of sl?
[15:39] CDB Barkley: not really
[15:39] CDB Barkley: frame it so i can copy paste
[15:40] Beth Kavka: There has been a lot of criticism lately that SL is just a fad and does not have educational value, partly in response to recent hype, what is your opinion?
[15:40] Beth Kavka: Are we all wasting our time and money?
[15:41] Piett Hesse: gone
[15:41] Kim Chihuly: he he
[15:41] Christopher Prudhomme: will there be an archive of this?
[15:41] Beth Kavka: got lag?
[15:41] Piett Hesse: Stream is gone ?
[15:41] SueMaeLA Escape: did the audio just drop out?
[15:42] Piett Hesse: yes
[15:42] CDB Barkley: sorry
[15:42] Kim Chihuly: we could talk about beth's question - how do we convince others this isn't a waste of time/money?
[15:42] Beth Kavka: yes
[15:42] Christopher Prudhomme: my audio is gone
[15:42] Boris Grommet: Same here - no audio.
[15:42] Kip Yellowjacket: TV is a waste of time.
[15:42] CDB Barkley: stop/start your music channel
[15:42] Kim Chihuly: not all tv - like henry jenkins was saying - there's value in a lot of different kinds of learning
[15:42] Piett Hesse: ok, sound on
[15:43] Kip Yellowjacket: true
[15:43] ShaoGin Yue: ok works for me
[15:43] Kip Yellowjacket: but for the most part
[15:43] Sleestak Mycron: back!
[15:43] CDB Barkley: beth, they'll do your question after next dance
[15:43] SueMaeLA Escape: nothing
[15:43] Kip Yellowjacket: TV is not interactive enough.
[15:44] Boris Grommet: Kip, have you read "Everything Bad Is Good For You?"
[15:44] Kim Chihuly: great book!
[15:44] Kip Yellowjacket: No I haven't.
[15:44] CDB Barkley: great book
[15:44] Sleestak Mycron: Interactive has its place, but so does non-interactive presentation/instruction
[15:44] Kip Yellowjacket: Thx for recommendation tho.
[15:45] Kip Yellowjacket: ic
[15:45] Kip Yellowjacket: k
[15:45] Kim Chihuly: his discussion of how difficult tv is now compared to hte past was a good read
[15:45] Boris Grommet: Check it out - might change your mind about TV.
[15:45] Kip Yellowjacket: am open to all arguments : )
[15:45] CDB Barkley: a few songs and we'll be back wiht more henry
[15:45] Kip Yellowjacket: Just need less trash TV...as a society...
[15:46] Sleestak Mycron: Author is Steven Johnson
[15:46] Kip Yellowjacket: k
[15:46] Kim Chihuly: tha's probably true of a lot of media - movies and novels
[15:46] Kip Yellowjacket: thx : )
[15:46] Kip Yellowjacket: absolutely
[15:46] Piett Hesse: i agree. Not specific channels are driven by commercials
[15:46] Sleestak Mycron: He had another great book a few years ago called "Interface Culture."
[15:46] CDB Barkley: Weird Al
[15:46] Sleestak Mycron: Also a good read, but a little out of date now...
[15:46] Kim Chihuly: rats - no sound
[15:46] Bus Toll: Did anyone else lose the stream again?
[15:46] Bus Toll: guess so.
[15:46] Piett Hesse: no sound
[15:47] Kip Yellowjacket: stop and play audio
[15:47] CDB Barkley: Hmm
[15:47] Piett Hesse: Who is streaming the sound ?
[15:47] CDB Barkley: stop and start audio
[15:47] Kip Yellowjacket: is working for me
[15:47] CDB Barkley: NMC is streaming
[15:47] Kim Chihuly: did that - no change
[15:47] CDB Barkley: form my laptop
[15:47] Piett Hesse: no sound
[15:47] CDB Barkley: Is anyone getting music
[15:47] Piett Hesse: no
[15:47] Kip Yellowjacket: yes
[15:47] Kip Yellowjacket shouts: I am. : )
[15:47] Boris Grommet: I am - atkes a couple restarts to get it going.
[15:47] Christopher Prudhomme: yes
[15:47] Kim Chihuly: nope
[15:47] Piett Hesse: :) not me :)
[15:47] Boris Grommet: atkes = takes
[15:47] Kip Yellowjacket: hmm
[15:47] CDB Barkley: Sorry.
[15:48] CDB Barkley: I am getting the stream on my other machine
[15:48] CDB Barkley: Does anyone have music besides me?
[15:48] Cosmopolitan whispers: Ah, so good..Perfectly shaken!!
[15:48] Kip Yellowjacket: cool techie rap song is playing...; )
[15:48] Christopher Prudhomme: yes
[15:48] Beth Kavka: no .. but I can dance
[15:48] CDB Barkley: Ok
[15:48] Kip Yellowjacket shouts: I do.
[15:48] Beth Kavka: no I do
[15:49] CDB Barkley: Click the word dnace
[15:49] Bus Toll: lol
[15:49] CDB Barkley: on the floor
[15:49] CDB Barkley: dance
[15:49] Sleestak Mycron: No music here.. and I've stopped and restarted as before
[15:49] CDB Barkley: Hmmm
[15:49] CDB Barkley: Sorry.
[15:49] Bus Toll: Try relogging into Second Life. IT worked for me
[15:49] Beth Kavka: no music
[15:49] Piett Hesse: no music for me too
[15:50] CDB Barkley: Stream keeps buffering
[15:50] Beth Kavka: music
[15:51] Kip Yellowjacket: k
[15:51] CDB Barkley: Henry back in one minute
[15:51] CDB Barkley: for more talkiing
[15:53] CDB Barkley: 30 seconds
[15:53] Beth Kavka: no music
[15:53] CDB Barkley: damn
[15:54] Boris Grommet: Anybody getting sound?
[15:54] Beth Kavka: no
[15:54] CDB Barkley: Sigh
[15:54] Kim Chihuly: nope
[15:54] Bus Toll: not anymor
[15:54] Beth Kavka: hey that's me
[15:54] Beth Kavka: in the green
[15:54] Beth Kavka: on the screen
[15:54] CDB Barkley: nice
[15:54] Beth Kavka: from mac press conference
[15:54] CDB Barkley: yep
[15:54] Arcanum Massiel: I'm getting sound
[15:54] Kip Yellowjacket shouts: I have audio.
[15:54] CDB Barkley: whew
[15:54] Beth Kavka: got audio
[15:54] Beth Kavka: wonder if we get him to tp here afterwards?
[15:55] Cosmopolitan whispers: Ah, so good..Perfectly shaken!!
[15:55] CDB Barkley: Doubtful- tough schedule
[15:55] CDB Barkley: We'll work on a future event
[15:55] CDB Barkley: let him get his SL feet ;-)
[15:55] Boris Grommet: That'd be great.
[15:55] Beth Kavka: so, probably can't answer q's form us here?
[15:55] CDB Barkley: We are going to have a lot of HUGE events here this year
[15:56] CDB Barkley: I am relaying them by chat
[15:56] CDB Barkley: but the kids are asking LOTS of great questions
[15:56] Beth Kavka: so he thinks immersive world are the platform of the future ..
[15:56] Beth Kavka: web3.0 = SL et al
[15:56] CDB Barkley: web 5.2!
[15:56] Beth Kavka: emerging as an important place for experiments ..
[15:56] Sullivan Tomcat: I agree - an experimental space.
[15:57] Beth Kavka: reimagine connections ..
[15:57] Boris Grommet: I'm getting environmental audio, but no stream - can others hear Henry?
[15:57] Sullivan Tomcat: imagine it was easier to navigate like using a nintendo wii
[15:57] John2 Kepler: I can still hear him.
[15:58] Beth Kavka: yes I can hear him
[15:58] Beth Kavka: fuzzy
[15:58] Piett Hesse: not me. I'll tp out and in to tryu
[15:58] Beth Kavka: he is answering my question
[15:58] Sullivan Tomcat: yescool beth!
[15:59] Beth Kavka: agrees about the hype
[15:59] Beth Kavka: acknowledges shirky rant
[15:59] Sullivan Tomcat: darn
[15:59] Beth Kavka: dman audio cut out
[15:59] Beth Kavka: educational value is able to invent the world is that thing I heard
[15:59] Sullivan Tomcat: ghood soundbyte
[15:59] Beth Kavka: it fits nicely with nonprofit motives for being in here ..
[15:59] Beth Kavka: change the world by changing a virtual world
[16:00] Kim Chihuly: at least learn about changing the world, see it as apossibility
[16:00] Beth Kavka: will this be archived ..?
[16:00] CDB Barkley: yes
[16:00] Sullivan Tomcat: he was talking about that earlier I think - experiments with democracy in SL translated into dialogues and changes in real world
[16:00] Cosmopolitan whispers: Ah, so good..Perfectly shaken!!
[16:00] Sullivan Tomcat: its a safe environment to take a stand and be your beliefs...
[16:00] Beth Kavka: will the audio be posted on the nmc blog?
[16:01] CDB Barkley: yes
[16:01] Beth Kavka: or holymeatballs
[16:01] Beth Kavka: great ..
[16:01] Sullivan Tomcat: great
[16:01] Beth Kavka: and text transcript?
[16:01] Beth Kavka: :-)
[16:01] John2 Kepler: AS more and more of the students coming to college have "learned" from on-line games, it would seem obvious that someting like SL would be a good learning environment for them.
[16:01] Quidit OFlynn: That's great
[16:01] Quidit OFlynn: was not able to get here in time, got pulled away
[16:02] Beth Kavka: audio back
[16:02] Beth Kavka: not escape reality, but reinvent it
[16:03] Beth Kavka: asking people to bring what they learn here and bring it back to your community
[16:04] Espresso machine : gives a cup to Piett Hesse
[16:04] CDB Barkley: We'll be posting the podcast hopefully tomorrow
[16:04] Espresso Demi Tasse whispers: Now THAT will open your eyes!
[16:04] CDB Barkley: Sorry for audio lapses
[16:04] CDB Barkley: It's quite experimental
[16:05] Beth Kavka: no problem ..
[16:05] Bus Toll: Thanks for hosting it!
[16:05] CDB Barkley: So does anyone have a take on the flap over SL numbers?
[16:05] Beth Kavka: thanks .. for the opportunity
[16:05] Sullivan Tomcat: yeah - its great to be a part of this./
[16:05] CDB Barkley: Sure
[16:05] Kim Chihuly: would be interesting to read about hte audio set up - get the knowledge out so it's not experimental in the future<g>
[16:05] CDB Barkley: We're having an arts event in February
[16:05] CDB Barkley: Here is a URL for the audio setup...
[16:05] Boris Grommet: You mean, registered, vs active overall, vs active at any given moment?
[16:05] John2 Kepler: HI Beth, I enjoyed your comments.
[16:06] CDB Barkley: http://cogdogblog.com/2006/12/20/audio-casting-setup/
[16:06] CDB Barkley: Beth rocks!
[16:06] Sullivan Tomcat: yes - I agree. If someoine were to post a schematic diagram of how the audio was rigged for this event.... very sueful. especially for archival.
[16:06] Beth Kavka: tx ..
[16:06] Beth Kavka: Sullivan ..
[16:06] CDB Barkley: http://cogdogblog.com/2006/08/20/we-can-all-be-radio-stations/
[16:06] Piett Hesse: CDB, the Symposium 2 months ago had great sound, don't you think ?
[16:06] Sullivan Tomcat: :)
[16:06] CDB Barkley: Diagram- http://cogdogblog.com/wp-content/uploads/sl-audio-cast2-tm.jpg
[16:06] CDB Barkley: Yes.
[16:06] CDB Barkley: For this one I had to use my telephone on speaker phone
[16:07] Piett Hesse: :)
[16:07] CDB Barkley: And we may have stressed our audio stream-- 20 some here and maybe 60-70 in TG
[16:08] Piett Hesse: oh, ok
[16:08] CDB Barkley: I am fading out the music channel....
[16:08] CDB Barkley: If you have iTunes, you can listen to the DJ form Global kids at http://www.carbonixlab.com:8000/
[16:08] CDB Barkley: He is streaming now
[16:09] CDB Barkley: A teen DJ
[16:09] Kip Yellowjacket: cool
[16:10] Piett Hesse: Well, IBM says Metaverses will make e-business obsolete: v-business is the future. I guess for education metaverses are still baby childs too.
