HASTAC Feb 23 2007

From NMC-Campus

A session at the HASTAC Integration 2007 meeting also held a session on NMC Campus

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[11:03] You: Hello folks, here for the HASTAC session?

[11:03] Cindy Paine: Yes, for HASTAC

[11:08] You: Hello, waiting for the HASTAC folks to show up.. it's their show!

[11:09] You: So where in RL are people here from? (fishing for audience participation)

[11:09] SirNoname Shilova: Germany!

[11:09] SirNoname Shilova: :)

[11:09] ScubaChris Wollongong: Tucson, Arizona

[11:09] You: Welkomme!

[11:09] marc Nomura: UK

[11:09] Cindy Paine: Detroit

[11:09] Dr Capalini: Akron ohio

[11:09] Opie Ellison: SF

[11:09] SirNoname Shilova: Glad to be here :)

[11:09] You: I'm in Scottsdale AZ

[11:09] Michael Wayne: detroit

[11:09] Thursday Xu: Ames, Iowa

[11:09] Orion Moo: Ithaca, NY

[11:09] Tank Habercom: Detroit

[11:09] You: Excellent

[11:10] You: Is anyone here familiar with HASTAC??

[11:10] Calisto Encinal: Phoenix, AZ

[11:10] Tank Habercom: Yeppers

[11:10] Thursday Xu: nope

[11:10] Katie Sismondi: no

[11:10] SirNoname Shilova: Nein ;)

[11:10] Cindy Paine: Its the Humanities Arts Science and Technology Advanced Collaboratory

[11:11] You: yes

[11:11] You: http://www.hastac.org/

[11:11] Katie Sismondi: what are they going to be talking about specifically

[11:11] You: They are running a 3 day session at Wayne State University

[11:11] You: see http://www.hastac.org/informationyear/integration

[11:12] You: They asked to have an SL component for a roundtable on " Remediation of English Studies"

[11:12] You: "The Wayne State English Department includes faculty and curricula in literary and cultural studies, film and media studies, composition studies, linguistics, and creative writing. Today, the Department Chair Richard Grusin observes, English Departments find themselves in a critical position."

[11:12] You: "The failure to come to terms with what has been called the “digital revolution” poses an increasing risk to the stability and prosperity of English Studies in the university. Indeed, it will not be news to note that the place of the English Department in both the academic and non-academic world continues to be in flux."

[11:12] You: "It is now almost a truism that opening up of the literary canon by cultural studies was one of the discipline’s most important accomplishments over the past two decades. Simultaneously, however, this accomplishment has opened the profession of English to criticism from both inside and outside the university, particularly for elevating political goals over more traditional academic goals such as reading critically or writing effectively."

[11:13] You: "One way for English departments to respond to such criticism is to call attention to a parallel project that has been going on during the same time--the refashioning of English from its historical character as a discipline focused primarily on products of print technology into a discipline that has increasingly become the interpreter of and instructor in such diverse electronic media as film, television, video games, music videos, cyberspace, interactive fiction, and the panoply of digital media available through the World Wide Web."

[11:13] You: "If English Studies hopes to reclaim its cultural authority with the American public, and its position of influence in American universities, English departments in particular (and arts and humanities more generally) must move ahead dramatically to continue this project with the increasing number of new media technologies that have accompanied the advent of the digital revolution."

[11:13] You: "..a discussion with colleagues who are engaged in a number of projects that are “remediating” English Studies. They include Jeff Rice, Steve Shaviro, and Anthony Aristar. The panel will engage in critical analysis of developments and offer web-based demonstrations of projects."

[11:14] You: We are waiting on Rebis Hokkigai, or Steve Shaviro who asked to hold a session here

[11:14] ScubaChris Wollongong: While we're waiting are there any interesting NMC events coming up?

[11:15] SirNoname Shilova: does anybody have their rl-phone-numbers? *g*

[11:15] You: fishig email

[11:15] You: fishing

[11:16] You: calling now, likely an office

[11:16] You: Anyone here from Wayne State?

[11:16] Michael Wayne: yes

[11:16] Michael Wayne: we're monitoring the presentation. SL part not started yet

[11:17] You: Ah, thanks!

[11:17] You: Any idea how long?

[11:17] Michael Wayne: Can't tell yet

[11:17] CDB Barkley tired of tap dancing

[11:17] You: Chris asked about NMC events...

[11:17] Cindy Paine: Yes, we can "hear" the presentation going on downstairs via conference phone

[11:18] You: We have a Teachers Buzz session March 5 (9am PST) and March 19 (6pm PST)....

[11:18] You: Topics TBD. I am trying to get one of our campus builders on March 5

[11:18] You: And we might have someone from San Antonio to talk about Machinima

[11:18] You: We have two events in March in conjunction with Global Kids....

[11:19] Michael Wayne: He's now talking about MMO's

[11:19] You: They will be doing some live video streaming into their island and here from two events they are running

[11:19] SirNoname Shilova: Will there be any lessions about the technology of sl?

[11:19] Michael Wayne: ???

[11:20] You: We are trying to start a new group of people interested in building, scripting, etc... no lessons planned yet

[11:20] SirNoname Shilova: ahh ok :)

[11:20] You: If you are in the SLED list, Jeremy Kemp has been sharing some great video tutorials

[11:20] You: And tentatively, on March 16, Daniel Reed, CIO at UNC Chapel Hill, will do a live presentation on "The 3D Net"

[11:21] You: We also hope to host some sort of Machinima Festival in May

[11:21] You: Anyone else have some SL events worth announcing?

[11:22] You: And by the way, we will likely post a transcript of this session to our NMC Campus Observer, so if you object to this, you may keep any comments to private IM (end disclaimer)

[11:24] You: Hello to those arriving, we are waiting on the HASTAC folks to arrive..

[11:24] Michael Wayne: Now talking about NMC

[11:24] Alan135 Bode: yes

[11:25] You: Michael is relaying what is happening there.. thanks

[11:25] Bella Yan: whew!

[11:25] Bella Yan: rez is bad

[11:26] Clement Greenberg: TOO MANY PEOPLE

[11:26] Clement Greenberg: sorry caps

[11:26] Clement Greenberg: :)

[11:26] You: No problem, we've had as many as 65

[11:26] You: Second Life is not the place for mega-audiences ;-)

[11:26] Clement Greenberg: we'll all be cubes pretty soon

[11:26] Michael Wayne: I think he's coming

[11:27] Mojave Shepherd: sorry

[11:28] Caelia Fortas: no prob

[11:28] Thursday Xu: backflip

[11:28] Rebis Hokkigai: hello

[11:28] You: Hello!

[11:28] You: I've been tap dancing

[11:28] Rebis Hokkigai: I finally got here

[11:28] Rebis Hokkigai: Glad you have all been amusing yourselves

[11:29] You: Not a problem in SL

[11:29] You: Want to take a seat on the stage?

[11:29] Rebis Hokkigai: Yes, the problem is to convince the RL folks I am with that there are actually *educational* things to do here as well

[11:30] Dr Capalini: Good! convince us as well.

[11:30] Cindy Paine: Yes, we do have a lot of fun making our avatars look "interesting"!

[11:30] You: Anyone else from your presentation here?

[11:30] Rebis Hokkigai: I think so

[11:31] You: They are welcome to sit too

[11:31] Michael Wayne: We're here as part of the audience

[11:31] Cindy Paine: Yes, I'm here from WSU with several colleagues

[11:31] You: Great, "Come on Down....!"

[11:31] Rebis Hokkigai: Ok at least I am seated

[11:31] Michael Wayne: This is Rebis' show

[11:31] Rebis Hokkigai: Though it seems weird to be alone on stage

[11:32] You: Company

[11:32] Rebis Hokkigai: Anyway, we have been talking about how information and communication can be enchanced in SL

[11:32] You: Well, we have partipants here form all over..

[11:32] You: one from Germany...

[11:32] Rebis Hokkigai: Cool

[11:33] Rebis Hokkigai: We have beeen talking about how these new sorts of interactions cannot be evaluated by traditional metrics

[11:33] Rebis Hokkigai: And my colleague Prof Jeff Rice has been talking about media collages and how they relate to shifting identities

[11:33] You: Sl seems full of collages

[11:34] Cindy Paine: And full of shifting identities!

[11:34] You: Many ways for self expression

[11:34] Rebis Hokkigai: Yes, it is very easy to be disstracted here...

[11:34] Rebis Hokkigai: Though I am *trying* to be more or less serious

[11:34] You: True.... but how free are we ever from distractions?

[11:35] MLani Montgomery: Death is free from disractions, but...

[11:35] CDB Barkley nudges audience to join in anytime

[11:35] Rebis Hokkigai: Well, the question is how distraction, and multitasking, as parts of our media environment...

[11:35] Rebis Hokkigai: ..can themselves become opportunities for thought and reflection

[11:35] You: While SL is full of flowing media, it seems the social communication layers that are most powerful

[11:36] You: and interesting

[11:36] Rebis Hokkigai: Yes, it is all about networks, both of information and of people

[11:36] MLani Montgomery: Current adults would refer to the digital world as being full of distractions, but younger people have established neuropathways we do not; for them it's the norm, not "multitasking."

[11:36] Rebis Hokkigai: We have been talking here too about remediation...

[11:36] You: I dare say everyone here would ever get to meet like this

[11:36] You: Say more about "remediation"

[11:36] Rebis Hokkigai: ..how contents change when they are moved from one medium into another

[11:37] Rebis Hokkigai: And how new media are always taking things from previous media and reworking them

[11:37] Cindy Paine: I think lots of the Millenials generation are digital natives in ways that digital immigrants are not...

[11:37] MLani Montgomery: Content and experience bothchange when the medium is altered

[11:37] MLani Montgomery: Digital immigrants--wonderful

[11:37] Michael Wayne: What methods do you see as being most appropriate for use in Second Life?

[11:37] Rebis Hokkigai: Yes, my 4-year old daughter already surfs the web, to go to various kids' sites

[11:37] cinnamon Daniels: cute

[11:38] Rebis Hokkigai: I gre up with TV, but kids today are growing up with the Net

[11:38] Rebis Hokkigai: ...and soon with 3D VR as well

[11:38] You: And we never got to make our own TV

[11:38] You: FYI, if you are in the very back, you might be out of chat range

[11:38] You: Plenty of nice seats down in front

[11:38] Rebis Hokkigai: Yes, the newer media are many-to-many, rather than one-to-many mass broadcast

[11:38] MLani Montgomery: Don't you ave t shout that?

[11:38] Cindy Paine: Yes, they are both consumers and producers of information and media

[11:39] You: Sigh, yes

[11:39] You shout: FYI, if you are in the very back, you might be out of chat range

[11:39] Clement Greenberg: Although neuropathways are readjusted there are still limitations to the number of neural connections

[11:39] Rebis Hokkigai: So, I think networking between people and networking of information can themselves interact and mutually affect one another

[11:39] Clement Greenberg: limitations of the cognitive media

[11:40] MLani Montgomery: But brain researchis showing he younger kids ae developing pathways we will never have due to beng exposed to digital media so early

[11:40] You: I rely less on what I can know and more on knowing others who know

[11:40] Clement Greenberg: completely, I agree

[11:40] Rebis Hokkigai: Yes, I think that different patterns of use can lead to different ways of seeing/thinking

[11:40] Bella Yan: ... and believing

[11:40] You: There was some great discussions on this at the recent Connectivism online conference

[11:40] MLani Montgomery: Believing?

[11:40] Clement Greenberg: But it's a matter of bandwidth too

[11:40] Rebis Hokkigai: cf. Steven Johnson on how computer games etc have positive effects on children

[11:41] Bella Yan: attitudes, beliefs

[11:41] Bella Yan: value systems

[11:41] Clement Greenberg: the connectivism concert sounds great

[11:41] Clement Greenberg: conference

[11:42] Rebis Hokkigai: We are getting live audience questions here, so I will try to type some of them now

[11:42] MLani Montgomery: Like forcing myself to believe that each of you avatars out there ha a real person sitting behind them, and this is not one big gamer's prank being played on e?

[11:42] You: http://www.umanitoba.ca/learning_technologies/connectivisim/

[11:42] Bella Yan: lol yeah sorta

[11:42] Clement Greenberg: thanks

[11:42] Loretta Lobo: Hello!

[11:43] Khadijah Burali: I think about the implications of these issues for civic engagement and the transmission of communal values from one generation to the next.

[11:43] Rebis Hokkigai: One audience question here: do we think students would like to meet their profs in places like SL..

[11:43] Rebis Hokkigai: ..or would they see it as an intrusion?

[11:43] SirNoname Shilova: Well i would ....

[11:43] You: Depends on the relationship

[11:43] Clement Greenberg: There is a perfect example of intergenerational learning

[11:43] SirNoname Shilova: (...like to meet them)

[11:43] Khadijah Burali: I assume that you are referring to an unplanned meeting?

[11:43] You: And reasons why many people have multiple avatars

[11:44] Khadijah Burali: As opposed to meeting for a class?

[11:44] Rebis Hokkigai: It's a bit like adults on facebook etc

[11:44] Clement Greenberg: an informal meeting??

[11:44] Michael Wayne: Will students have the appropriate hardware for proper access?

[11:44] Rebis Hokkigai: It could be either formal or informal

[11:44] Clement Greenberg: will teachers have proper hardware?

[11:44] MLani Montgomery: My students always ask me why I dont have a MySpace so they can get to know me better. Shudder!

[11:44] Michael Wayne: This seems to use a lot of bandwidth

[11:44] You: The barrier for entry into SL is not low...

[11:44] Khadijah Burali: I sometimes bring students into SL for class work.

[11:44] Opie Ellison: is the objective social or instructional?

[11:44] Cindy Paine: I recently attended a conference where young people (grades 5-10) spoke and they were annoyed when teachers wouldn't respond to email quickly!

[11:44] Rebis Hokkigai: Another big audience question: what about have nots, people who don't have the money to go to SL?

[11:45] MLani Montgomery: True learning takes place in a social environment

[11:45] You: You dont need money to enter

[11:45] Loretta Lobo: my institution doesn't have access for faculty due to security issues...supposedly...

[11:45] Rebis Hokkigai: (the digital divide)

[11:45] Clement Greenberg: Perhaps students should be teaching us how to use this place.

[11:45] Loretta Lobo: I am using personl PC card and laptop...

[11:45] You: That's very common on the teen grid

[11:45] Khadijah Burali: But you do need top notch equipment and software.

[11:45] Rebis Hokkigai: You need access to a computer, a fast connection, and a good enough video card

[11:45] Khadijah Burali: That can cost money

[11:46] ScubaChris Wollongong: But many students are able to find the equipment around campus

[11:46] Khadijah Burali: On a campus, you need sufficient IT support for the frequent uprades

[11:46] Michael Wayne: Lack of hardware = lack of speed = frustration to students

[11:46] Rebis Hokkigai: Also, what about how the often anonymity of our identities here affects educational processes?

[11:46] MLani Montgomery: Permission to download the software is an issue

[11:46] Khadijah Burali: Exactly

[11:46] ScubaChris Wollongong: We handle that (upgrades) by running SL off Flash drives

[11:46] Rebis Hokkigai: I am willing to let my "first life' identity be known here, but not everybody is

[11:46] Michael Wayne: Anonymity may hinder assessment

[11:46] Khadijah Burali: I tell my students to do tat to

[11:47] MLani Montgomery: HOw big of flash drive do you need?

[11:47] Khadijah Burali: I tell them to do that too

[11:47] ScubaChris Wollongong: 1Gb usually works

[11:47] Clement Greenberg: Perhaps they use a special alias to work in a particular class

[11:47] Michael Wayne: Many institutions block executables on USB drives

[11:47] Rebis Hokkigai: Special aliases might work, in certain circumstances

[11:48] SirNoname Shilova: In most cases the inet on the campus has not enough bandwith for sl .... so its not the hardware of the machine, its the network itself.

[11:48] Khadijah Burali: Our IT folks have been pretty good about working with us.

[11:48] You: Keep in mind this is all in its infancy

[11:48] ScubaChris Wollongong: Yes - I was recently at a conference where the keynote pointed out that we block the five technologies studetns use

[11:48] Loretta Lobo: lots of gatekeeping w/regard to access...to innovative ideas

[11:48] Clement Greenberg: It's growing up quickly though, isn't it?

[11:48] You: Like talkng about webs ervices and AJAX for the web in 1994

[11:48] Rebis Hokkigai: Yes, I think of this as more proof of concept than as something already accomplished

[11:48] Ariel Surya: Scuba-- what are the five blocked technologies?

[11:49] You: But it is an environment built completely by its users

[11:49] You: which is a powerul notion

[11:49] Clement Greenberg: wasn't SL just on Sunday Morning?

[11:49] Cindy Paine: And many of the younger set simply use cell phones and texting to communicate and network...

[11:49] ScubaChris Wollongong: YouTube, Podcasting, text messaging, MySpcae and I can never rememebr the five

[11:49] ScubaChris Wollongong: fifth

[11:49] SirNoname Shilova: so it is at my university.

[11:49] Loretta Lobo: concept is great, execution for institutions concerned about security seems to be barrier

[11:49] Rebis Hokkigai: There is a whole web of connections, of different technological levels.. from cell phones to full immersion VR

[11:50] Ariel Surya: Hard to move social technology into education if the institution blocks

[11:50] Khadijah Burali: I think that in a few years, there are students who will have to be proficient in this kind of technology in order to work in their fields.

[11:50] SirNoname Shilova: right, ariel

[11:50] Rebis Hokkigai: And one future thing to hope for is being able to leap between the different levels

[11:50] You: But we need places and support to try these new spaces... too much security and worry may stifle innovation

[11:50] Rebis Hokkigai: Somebody had a prototype of a sort of SL lite on cell phones

[11:51] Clement Greenberg: 7 minute pause

[11:51] You: http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/18195/

[11:51] Khadijah Burali: A lot of students are already familiar with World of Warcraft and the Sims

[11:51] Ariel Surya: They WOW, but don't connect battle/strategy with learning.

[11:51] Khadijah Burali: Getting them to see how SL is different was my biggest challenge in the classroom

[11:51] You: Arent there unsafe assumptions thinking all 18 year olds are game players, IMers, etc?

[11:52] Khadijah Burali: Certainly

[11:52] Ariel Surya: Great question for educators, CDB

[11:52] You: We've heard lots of stories of major aversion to SL in students

[11:53] Khadijah Burali: In using SL in my teaching, I have been very explicit about why we are using this in a particular class.

[11:53] Bella Yan: can explain more, CDB?

[11:53] ScubaChris Wollongong: is it aversion or do they think it's just not up to speed with their other virtual experiences

[11:53] You: This was from some colleagues at Seton Hall

[11:53] Rebis Hokkigai: We are starting to wind down here

[11:53] Clement Greenberg: It works for some classes better than others.

[11:53] Cindy Paine: They have to do more work in SL-- they have to come up with goals...

[11:53] Rebis Hokkigai: Thanks for everyone who came here for this overly brief discusssion

[11:53] You: They found their students were not instantly finding their way, even had to teach basic window/mouse skills

[11:54] ScubaChris Wollongong: I've had students tell me that the prefer their WOW interactions because the graphics and situations are more engaging

[11:54] You: Thanks Rebis, this was great!

[11:54] Bella Yan: Thanks for including us, Rebis

[11:54] Rebis Hokkigai: My pleasure.

[11:54] Clement Greenberg: What classes do people teach with SL?

[11:54] ScubaChris Wollongong: Yes thanks

[11:54] Khadijah Burali: Yes, thanks

[11:54] Bella Yan: Hope your RL audience enjoyed it

[11:54] You: Yes, the RL/SL connections are great

[11:54] Clement Greenberg: Thanks Rebis

[11:54] Rebis Hokkigai: Goodbye until next time

[11:54] Khadijah Burali: I use in my interactive journalism and interactive storytelling classes.

[11:54] ScubaChris Wollongong: I'm doing a social computing course and helping with an astronomy course

[11:54] You: Thanks to the 37 who showed up

[11:55] Michael Wayne: Bye all

[11:55] Khadijah Burali: Bye!

[11:55] Cindy Paine: Thanks! Good bye!

[11:55] You: Highly recommend SLED listserv https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/educators

[11:55] Ariel Surya: thank you, NMC!

[11:55] Sarasotah Chikuwa: Bye All

[11:55] Loretta Lobo: /clap

[11:55] Porterhouse Dobbs: Thanks

[11:55] Clement Greenberg: What classes do people teach in SL?

[11:56] You: We've heard English, Media, Communications, language, CIS...

[11:56] You: Game design..

[11:56] You: Biology, earth sciences

[11:56] iconolith Taggart: I believe I have heard of some architecture

[11:56] MLani Montgomery: I hear of physics and economics

[11:56] Khadijah Burali: I know someone who used in his political science class

[11:56] Clement Greenberg: cool

[11:56] Khadijah Burali: He had people create a utopia and try to govern it.

[11:57] iconolith Taggart: has anyone heard of anyone teaching business or management classes?

[11:57] ScubaChris Wollongong: Now that would be interesting with all the commerce in here

[11:57] iconolith Taggart: I would think there would be some just for that reason

[11:58] Khadijah Burali: No, but my journalism students have talked to business owners and publishers of some of the business media here.

[11:58] iconolith Taggart: that is great they can have access ot those people

[11:59] iconolith Taggart: Alright, thanks everyone!

[11:59] Mojave Shepherd: thank you, very interesting